HAROON
you are kind of right but also wrong.
if the girl runs away it means she was not brought up properly and wasnt taught properly about islam.
Usually if a girl likes someone the parents say no!!!! straight away even though they dont know the guy.
This is typical paki cultural behaviour.
in islam it is okay to like somebody as long as it is not extreme and the daughter tells the parents what they thimk
slaaaaaaaaam ppl,
after this long discussion, i would like to say one thing about those ppl, who following west blindly.
" nach na aye "
" anghen tera"
according to islam, islam gives right to every body parents children every body who is part of nature 's system.
ppl just critisizing islam for nothing.
let me ask u question.
with which mouth u ppl criticize islam. when u ppl dont using it. how can u say bout that thing. which u dont know bout properly.
specialy MR.imran bhai u just blindly talk bout west.i dont mean to fight with u brother. plz study islam properly than say some thing.
the system we living in pakistan. it is not ours. itis adoptive from britains and hinduus.
we are still fallowing that idiot customs and tradition.for example murder for reputation. islam never taught us to get law at ur hand.
and the problem of parents right and there children rights.
than hazret ali (r t u) said once,
ager maan baap saay bher ker koi derga hota tu allah tuallah osaay heraam kerar daay deta.
the west is in problem of family system. plz read the fetures about the westren family system.
i think u will get the points.
Mr. imran i didnt say any thing that hurts u. but i request u that study the haqook ul ebad than say any thing about it the west seems to u ppl very cool. acctuly this is just "serab" a bluff. even catholic church accept that we losing our family ties. only in america the divorce rate is more than 50%.
so imran brother y dont we get to gather and put real islamic system in pakistan, and get rid of that hinduus costumes, traditions, and britains system.
u agree with me or not, it depands at ur thinsing. it is positive or not.
[This message has been edited by Zar Leo (edited July 20, 2000).]
Exactly leo..well said.
So it means its fault of society and culture, and not islam. Because islam gives everyone equal right, islam says a girl should get marry according to her consent, she shouldnt get marry by force to someone who she doesnt like...and so on. I think problem is that we are using and living with customs and rituals of early britians, and hindus, until we realize that we live everyday life by the customs of our enemies, Ex: hindus and wests, than we might become a better society in dealing with our hard and everyday problems. Thank you, have a nice gupshup.
HARooN
HARooN>>>Chorr chori se jaye...haira-pehrii se na jaye<<< :)
Salaam my friends:
This is a good post to which everyone has answered with a rational/emotional thought to it. I completely agree with Haroon about acquiring knowledge in Islam and quit following British-Hindu moralities of life(which are full of deceit and lead to chaos!). Acquiring knowledge of Islam is not that hard, its as easy as praying 5times a day and reading Quran 15-minutes out of a day and going once a month and buying a book on a Islam by a renown scholar etc. Islam means peace. I know people who follow Islam and are sincere Muslims don't have these problems because there is love in the family. Everyone prays together,eats together and thank the Almighty ALLAH together. Once we realize the fact that everything in this world occurs by the will of ALLAH, there is a realization of ultimate truth. Please note that I am not saying that if U are a 'good' muslim U will not face a situation where one day U find out that your daughter(or son)have eloped with someone of different culture/religion. At this point instead of getting all emotional and start talking illiterate stuff like 'family pride', how about talking to your daughter/son and asking him/her why and maybe put yourself in their shoes. Love is the only thing in this world that has the power to hypnotize a person. Believe me it is very strong. And it takes a very strong person to deal with it! So I think its not a big deal. Sometimes we have to learn about life by facing the world with our bare hands and not hiding behind our family like rats.
Allah HAfiz
Remember ALLAH and HE will Remember you.
[This message has been edited by asr (edited July 20, 2000).]
to SUPERSONICKID...First of all I want to start of by saying that this is a very sensitive subject, which you have blown totally out of all proportion and giving the wrong impression about our sisters in the UK. Im from the UK too. I dont like the way you say "paki girls" for obvious reasons...it is true that a very small percentage of girls may have gone of the straight track. unlike the "thousands & millions you say", and "no" they dont watch a Indian film & suddenly decide to leave home, besides it does take two to tangle, in other words that boys are equally bad if not worse, I feel strongly about Bollywood myself so dont get me wrong, when that few number of sisters that do run away. all the cases are fordifferent reasons, because there are too many different factors.I think your a biggot and you should research all the FACTS first, before you open your mouth....
ps How do you know Bollywood films are so curropting, do sit secretly at home and watch these films...
one more thing...NO the real AK47 dosent watch Indian films because I boycotted them 4/5 yrs ago...
[This message has been edited by the real AK47 (edited July 23, 2000).]
why did u Boycott indian movies????
I think i know the answer!!!
anyay Mr Pk477 whatever ur name is. I have many pk friends and arab friends.many of them tell me their experiences and problems in the uk.How can they be wrong considering some of my friend were born in uk, visited the uk and went to uk schools and colleges. They cant all be wrong, Can they MR pk47 !!!! I believe there was a documentary called east or something in the uk. IT WAS SHOWING EXPERIENCES OF PK UK GIRLS . IT RANGED FROM THEM HIDING WITH THEIR BOYFRIENDS AND THEIR BOYFRIENDS LEAVING THEM TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES. It also said that the brothers, sisters and parents of the girls that ran away were being chased by asian hitmen who would track them down and cause harm.
Surely the uk national tv service cant be wrong either, hey MR PKKKKK 47. This info came from a recent discussion with my friend as they have now come home!!!!
bye me FRIENDS.
I am merely trying to tell the diffuculties of western life affected be bollwood. the only way to stop this is to restrict bollywood and teach about Islam the correctway, Not the pk Cultural way.
SUPERSONIC.....yes "" KID"" after all thats what you really are just a kid...this is what happens when you get peoples name wrong...AK47 remember that the next time you even think about replying to me...You have absolutely no idea, not even the faintist.firstly i would like you to go back and read my first reply, and think about what I said...take a day or two.OKAY... Lets begin with youre arab freinds, whom you say are in the UK.All the arabs I know are drunks,kerb crawlers and prolific gamblers. has any one been to London , then go outside any casino,bokies or betting shops, and all you will see is arabs....and has for the T.V documentry you seen , Ive seen that too....well let me just say "WHO THE HELL, HAS FAITH IN UK or WESTERN T.V ANYWAY.."the whole world knows that WESTERN MEDIA is anti Islamic...they will go to great lentghs to make all muslims look bad, besides why do you listen to other people and then assume what they say is the truth, the whole truth..HVE YOU BEEN TO THE UK AND SEEN WITH YOUR OWN EYES?.have you ever heard of Chinese whisper when one person says something to the next person, and that person goes and says the same thing to another person, and so on & on.and each time when they say something that something gets a little distorted or in your case Exagerated.........In my reply I merely said in short "you have every thing way out of proportion"...our sisters and brothers, have alot of problems to face in the west and instead of trying to learn the differences...all you do is critisice...I dont even think your from the U.K...so that says it all by itself how can you even KNOW?.....KNOW READ AND THINK SUPERSONICKID before you come again...
ps I HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON...get my name right this time (its rude)
[This message has been edited by the real AK47 (edited July 24, 2000).]
I think gals are live stocks, and parents are the owner, and they can sell their daugthers to whom ever they pleased.
Gals should only be kept for breding new landlords of future, and for pleasure.
Well dont feel bad, becuase thats what our society think about women.
So its seems that you didn't like what I said: Hmmm.. then what I'm going to say next, also needs lots of guts to read.
As long as gals are going out with guys and having great time, its ok. But definitely they need to make safe love. But important think for the gals to remember here is that if they want their first time to be excellent then dont rush, until you really think that its going to have excellent time, and that she can stick with that guy for some time and can get into new relationships and commitments.
Take to you guys later,
bye
Note from Naik>>>> abay her baat meiN maa behn ko kiyooN ghaseeTh latay ho tum log...haiN???
Watch ur language bava...!!!!
[This message has been edited by NaikLarki (edited July 27, 2000).]
Friend, what I said there was sarcastic, I was indirectly making a joke on the mentality of people when they try to cage women and take away there freedom. My point was that gals them self have to decide their fate, and make there own choices with no restriction, just like guys are allowed to do.
But the problem over here is either you didn't read the complete message that I sent, or may be you missunderstood it, otherwise you wont have said what you have tried to say about me and my family.
Well I dont get pissed so easily, and I do respect my mother more than any thing. But it would be nice if either the admin remove that message, or you rephrase your message, with nothing personal this time.
My point is still the same that gals should have right to decide, weither its just a boyfriend or a fiancy or husband. But again, its not the question of being used or not, its important to have satisfaction from inside that really enjoyed the experience, and not just being laid by some guy.
Well I hope you have guts to understand this basic human need and their psycology.
Besides dont take it too seriously, because I guess every one comes here to enjoy, otherwise there is already so much seriousness in life.
Take care
bye for now.
Yasin u r so cooooooool!!!!
:-P
Well thanks naik Lark
Actually all my x-gf and other gals who know me they still say the same what you have said. But I guess what makes me cool is that I'm a person with gentle soul and trustable.
Take care and bye for now.
DEAR AK47,
i am sorry to offend ur name. is that a mans name or a girls name. anyway i thought ak47 was a a gun.
i didnt realise u kept such bad company. You have drunken and betting friends, This only reinforces my point which is pks are down the drain in the uk. try to get some good friends. AS A MATTER OF FACT I WAS BORN IN PAKISTAN , SO I AM PAKISTANI- KUWAITI SO I KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN OUR SOCIETY AND CULTURE.Also Miss or Mr pk47 i have relatives in the uk and stayed their for 4 months and the friends of my friends are uk born and go to uk schools and colleges. So i have experiences and other peoples experiences who went to uk as students with open minds and live in the uk.
My arab friends an uk friends EXPERIENCED UK GIRLS FLIRTING WITH THEM AND EVEN SAW PK GIRLS GOING OUT WITH WHITE BOYS.
THANK YOU for letting me tell u this because people wnfortunately know the truth but wantto hide it to make themselves happy.
super...
WHY? have you turned this into a slagging match, is it because you have no idea how to debate this matter foward...deep down you must feel that your initial statements are wrong (your first words on this topic). WHY? In your eyes "UK muslims are down the drain" and why? do you think so highley of yourself, and not us in the west. THE BOTTOM LINE is. how can you make these claims.when you have never been to the UK, & WITNESSED WITH YOUR OWN EYES?
Islam is religon of nature.It recognizes weaknesses and strengths of humans.If it does not encourage promiscuity then at the same time encourages marriage when reaching maturity.Problem is Muslim parents in Pakistan apply Islam selectivly by forcing strict code of honor on their kids and do not apply rest of Islam which gurantees their physical rights.Human nature is like a hungry dog which if offerd warm fresh bread finds hard to resist. Let's not go that far in testing our kids.My experience is that my classfellows in college who were married were much stable in their personalities and academics.Let's not be Munafiq and apply Islam fully.
[This message has been edited by Buley Shah (edited July 27, 2000).]
[This message has been edited by Buley Shah (edited July 27, 2000).]
Bulleh Shah ji all my classfellows in college who were married used to be very sleepy in classes.
Probably they were in bad marriages.It is a risk just like risk in driving.
Unfortunately i thimk ak47 is partially blind. did he not SEE i stayed in the uk for 4 MONTHS. That was just last year, as i mentiond i have relatives there and i usually go to the screwd uk.
Is it not a fact that drug abuse is becoming quite used quite often . The asian community is pleading for help from the govt to invest in this sorry matter.
I wish machine gun ak47 and others dont read their own newspapers enough and watch their own national news.
I come from quwait and i know about Pakistan,Uk and Kuwait by reading their newspapers. Learn about your OWN country and then discuss it. PLEASE LEARN.
I still disagree, 4 months is a what you say you stayed in the UK, AND 27 years is how long Ive been in the UK,that speaks for itself.... SUPER...no matter how much you go on making exagerated claims, the only thing you prove is your full of hate,for us in the UK,
naiklarki said about yasin
"you are so cooooooool."
i dont understand why a respected gupoo like naik would promote such promiscuous behaviour.Just look at what yasin stands for, he believes in adultery, fornication.
its true aperson should have self enjoyment but within islam.
In the west fornication is everywhere and look at all those poor kids who dont have dads. Was yasin born out of wedlock.......i wonder.Its a shame when muslims land on american soil they really change for the worst, they lose self control.
i would also like to apologise to yasin for saying all that stuff.
kh