Beautiful Feeling....

Many people have told me that these small problems I encounter is because I dont keep my prayers. And if I regularly kept my prayers, the small diffculties in life would pass by so smoothly without causing any ill effects or not even occure. And I have also noticed that is very true. I mean my problems do dissolve like they never existed as soon as I start my prayers (in most cases from the very next day) and I find myself wondering and recalling, “Oh what was I upset about…? What was the issue?” And other than enjoying a problem-free life, my heart, my mind, my soul starts to feel so serene (Yes, Mamaof3, there are times. I wasnt kidding :slight_smile: )

So many times, I tried to keep all my prayers but after a few days I always tended to lose the will and then many months pass by without me praying even months. Then Im surrounded by those irritating problems again which make me remember God and again after a few days of desire to seek ‘God’ and be His servant, I return to the old status inviting unwanted difficulties. So the cycle continues.

So, I went out with a lovely girl from work a couple of days ago. Just by looking at her, I feel she’s very closed to God. Just looking at her face (Yeah, a serene face), being with her, I get into state of tranquility myself. MashaAllah, she is very pure.

So, when I was dropping her off, she said (Yeah, she is almost the 20th person to say the same thing), “Will you promise me something? Will you do me a favor?” I said, “Sure.” And I was NOT AT ALL expecting what she said after that. She said, “Will you keep all your prayers from today?”

Somehow we ended up talking about the way of praying. She actually got frightened to know from me the ‘Pakistani’ way of praying. Upon knowing that ‘Isha’ prayer had 17 raka’ats, she almost screamed. She asked why us Pakistanis complicated things. She said, “2 raka’ats Fajjar, 4 for Zohar, 4 for Asar, 3 for Maghrib and 4… yes F.O.U.R for Isha.” Then it was my turn to faint. I scccrrrreeeeeeammmed, "FOUR FOR ISSSHHHAAAA??? :eek::eek::eek: " She said, “Yes, as I dont blame you for missing your prayers as your way of praying doesnt sound like it is to worship God but it sounds like an effort of scaring people hence driving common people away from praying and religion. Why do you guys complicate things? Who will pray 17 raka’ats for Isha? Good enough to discourage someone who WANTS to.”

Okay so since that day I have not missed a single prayer yet. I mean tell me what’s so difficult with 2, 4, 4, 3 & 4 raka’ats in one day which hardly takes up maximum 5 minutes of your time each?

I have been feeling so angry with the ‘Pakistani Islam’. Why do we love to complicate things? I mean, WHY???

RIDICULOUS people. Above all RIDICULOUS Islamic leaders (mullahs) who want to LEAD the crowd teaching others their OWN Islam.

Ahh… did I mentioned I HATE mullahs? Oh yes, I just did :rolleyes:

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There’s only 1 Islam, and no Pakistani or Arab Islam :rolleyes:

What the girl you met does is only pray “Fard” and no “Sunnat” or “Nafil”.

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TheNewWannaBee,

did you ask anybody about the difference? or did you just decide to start blindly ranting, raving and blaming without trying to find out why there's a difference?

MashaAllah i'm glad you're praying regularly and finding that it helps, I know how it feels, the first few lines of your post made me think of a piece I had written ages ago and I thought i'd share it, because it felt like it was on the same wavelength, but as i read the rest of your post I just got really irritated, it was very immature, and you spoiled that 'beautiful feeling'. Blaming others for your lack of knowledge and understanding isn't going to get you anywhere...so just some sisterly advice, do yourself a favour ask someone, an acquaintaince, a friend someone you think has a lot of knowledge about islam about the difference or do some reading, but if you cant find an explanation just let us know i'm sure someone will be able to explain it to you, inshaAllah.

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Gizzy, she told me one more thing. She said, "A house stands on 4 walls. Losing a single wall is like losing the house. Prayers are ALL the 4-walls of a house (man), not a single wall. So, if one does not pray, no matter how beautiful the house (the person) is, it will fall. And the first question on the day of judgement will be about prayers. If a sinner has kept all his prayers, his sins will be balanced off with his prayers but if a person has no prayers, all his good deeds will not carry the weight that prayers carry.

So, in that light, tell me is it good to pray atleast the 'Fard' (the obligatory prayer) or is it good to miss the prayers cz people tell you the long long prayers (including sunnat & nafil) are a MUST and not just Fard?

Ms.Haala, which 'knowledge' and 'understanding' are you talking about?

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Hopefully this and other things will encourage me to pray regularly insha'Allah.

Just to let you know, if you are into hadith, you are supposed to do witr, meaning minimum of 5 rakats for Isha. 4 fard and 1 witr. This is if you know you are not going to wake up at tahajjud time to do witr. I dont mind providing references for this.

I was also taught to do 17 but only later found out that 5 is minimum I can do. But I was never one for regular prayers, too lazy. Soon insha'Allah I hope to be regular and consistent.

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I didn't believe that prayers could help solve the lil tiny problems here and there, but now I think otherwise. I tried praying regularly (as sort of a psychological medicine for my head) upon my doctor's request, when I was getting treated for severe migraine and depression.

It was hard at first but I think it helped me a little, but my peaceful moments are temporary. My doctor put me on Valium and omg I used to get lost in time and space. I told him that this drug was too much for me and I wanted to get off it. So he suggested that I should try to pray regularly. I haven't completely been able overcome my depression so its hard sometimes to be wanna do anything, and so I miss my prayers on purpose often. Anyways, atleast its better than being on medicines.

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Wish you good luck in being a better muslim, Munni. I am trying but I have a long long way to go. We (Pakistanis) are so behind and then we complain about our problems and lack of peace. We are living in a dark time 'cause we dont know what ‘Islam’ is. We dont know the basic things but claim that we know everything.

Trust me, I have personally experienced that when I have some issues disturbing me mentally and if I somehow manage to make myself pray during those times, the next day or in the coming days, although I see that the problem is still there but it does not bother me AT ALL. It doesnt LOOK like a problem. It feels like an exciting challenge and does not worry me AT ALL. And in some cases, I have perosnally seen the problem getting ‘dissolved’ in the air. And I keep wondering where it disappeared. Just like it never existed. I have seen it happening. I look around me and I find myself in the most peaceful surroundings.

Do you know why you havent been able to overcome your depression? bcz you find it ‘hard to wanna do something.’ I often try to fight that feeling too. When I somehow manage to fight that feeling of ‘not wanting to do anything’ and find strength to get up, make wudhu and pray and cry in front of God, talk to Him. I swear that’s the most beautiful feeling. Then you know you have the strongest existance of all who is there for you, listening to you and how you feel and what you want and what’s bothering you. And when you have the total belief that it is gonna be taken care of as it if God you have consulted and no doctor, no psychiatrist, no dad, no mom, no other humanbeing.

And something the same girl told me about ‘purposely’ missing a prayer which Im forgetting but it really scared me. I said to myself, "No I am much better than that. I CANT purposely miss my prayers. And missing these 2, 4, 4, 3, 4 raka’at prayers? Why? Are we not capable of even THAT???

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TNW, how do you know it was the prayer that was alleviating your problems or perceived problems and not just the passage of time and the reduced stress levels...

things look better or turn around naturally after a few days

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^ You'll have to experience to undertsand what Im talking about. It cant be 'explained' in words. It can only be 'felt' and the 'difference' you are talking about can also only be 'felt. It's a very thin line. Not everyone can feel it.

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but how do you know you are "feeling" something real and it isnt just a psychological effect whereby your mind is making this feeling up to make you feel better

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When you get into a state of meditation, your body emits endorphins which help you overcome the stress. Different people have different stress relieving mechanisms...a budhist will tell you one thing and a rock star will tell you another. For a muslim, namaz is prescribed to reach that state of mind. To acknowledge namaz you have to understand the deeper meaning of it. It didn't come to me overnight...I had to do some reasearch before I embraced it ..now it doesn't offend my intellect, the skepticism is at peace and I feel the connection with the creator.
As for reading nafl and sunnah..of course it's not 'farz' but when you are standing in front of your god for you OWN sake then YOU are the one who wants an even longer namaz. I don't pray five time a day but when I pray, I can't leave it by just reading farz. To read sunnah you need to really 'know' the prophet..and when u do, u can't just leave 'em. What's the rush?

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What exactly is your point? What do you mean how I know if Im feeling 'something real'? Ofcourse it is real that's why my problems vanish like they never were there in the first place. With that, I am left with little to 'doubt' what I feel is 'not real'.

And Im not sure what you're trying to point out to.

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TNW…I am merely asking…nothing else intended
you and I come from different backgrounds there are somethings that I am not so open too and therefore I need more explanation..
this is what I dont understand… how do they go away?

an example
I can understand if someone is unwell…perhaps they suffer from leg pains

they pray for a few days and the pain gooes away…

the prayers may be therapeutic and have a good effect on their mental being however did the physical pain go away naturally after a few days or was it due to the power of Prayer?

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Fayz, given a choice, I'd prefer to keep all the 5 prayers which are obligatory 5 times a day rather than 1 or 2 long prayers 2/3 times a day which are not obligatory and miss the rest.

Lazy, I think the power of prayer. As I have noticed that when I make 'dua' at the end of my prayer, if while making it, it makes me cry I see whatever I was asking for happening the next morning (yes, for real). But when I make dua 'just for the sake of making it', I have noticed that not essentially I get what I want the next day or in the days to come.

But the whole process of praying leaves me feeling sooo pure and I love that feeling.

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that makes sense

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The girl has excluded all Sunnahs from her prayers, hence you get only the Fard prayers…2, 4, 4, 3, 4…

The Sunnah prayers though optional are Sunnah Muakeddah, meaning the Holy Prophet :saw: prayed them everytime…You can opt not to pray them, but after all, piety has a price; Devotion.

And since the whole of the 5 prayers take less than an hours cumulative time including Wudu, why not do them?

As for Isha, 9 is the minimum (If you consider Muakeddah)…4 Fard, 2 Sunnah, 3 Witr…

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You know when I told her ‘3 Witr’, she screamed again. She said, “Do you know what the word ‘Witr’ mean? It means, ONE, Single.” So how can something which is ONE can be THREE?" She said, “If I had lots of time after I have read my Fard salah, maybe I’ll read extra but I have never read all that until now all my life. And my this is how we pray.”

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Yes...Witr does mean one, however, you can't just pray one witr...It has to be accompanied by either 2 or 4 Sunnahs...So, combine them and you get 3 or 5 respectively...

Wallahoalam, but I believe some scholars say Witr has no limit, it can be 7 or 9 or 11 e.t.c....(Sunnahs of 2s or 4s plus one Witr)

I also read (unverified) someplace that Witr should be the last thing you read before going to bed after having prayed Tahajjud...Doesn't matter how many Tahajjud you pray, a hundered even, but the last should be Witr...

Wallaholam...

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Okay, but all that still does not make the sunnah, nafil and witr COMPULSORY as advocated by the 'scholars'.

Teach people simple things and they'll follow the simple things. make things complicated, not everyone can or would follow the difficult religion.

It should be clearly taught what is 'FARZ' and what is not. Instead of making everything farz on our own and making those who even miss their farz cz of difficult approach feel like sinners and eventually become sinners by not following it at all (missing the farz).

Keeping all the 5 prayers has never been this easy for me. I cant believe it's me. I feel so fulfilled. I always, always felt bad for missing my prayers but not anymore. 2, 4, 4, 3, 4 is nothing. It's so simple. Islam is so simple. And being a good muslim and following the most basic things of it (namaz) is not difficult to keep AT ALL.

And lazy, just a little clarification. When I say 'get what I want', I am referring to getting ANYTHING which I want which includes, peace of mind, happiness, safety from problems and bad people, showing me the light, giving me much more sense to understand things, giving me knowledge, comfort, and fulfilling my worldly wishes/ambitions (Oh and I dont only pray for me). I dont think there is anything wrong with asking the Lord as long as what you want.

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Waking up for Fajr is a glorious feeling.