Baqra eid in India and COWS

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you think!

Lets close this argument right here cause now we are bringing our 'assumptions' as supporting points.

I have also seen from some Muslims from certain Islamic countries doing that. I was talking more about Pakistanis.

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Since I work in IT in USA , I had the privilege to have frank discussion with Indian Muslims , they do not have anything negative to say about their country. Only one guy who is from Gujarat have many negative things to say about Hindu extremist there , but he has nothing to say against the country as a whole.

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well I don't call it an assumption because it is my observation based on my experience - experience gained meeting and living with indian musilms ..

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Moghal emperors had banned cow slaughter.

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Naabigh, I am not sure who were those Muslims that you met, but over all I have similar experience as Mirch. I never met any Indian Muslim who think that he/she is deprived of his/her basic rights in India. I even met Muslims from Kashmir who proudly call themselves Indian. Once someone said I am from Kashmir and my friend asked, Indian side or pakistani side and that guy took it as an offense.

Even if you find one or two who complain, does not mean automatically that they love to move to Pakistan or think that Pakistan is a better country for them.

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  • A few cow aspects…(taken from a portal)
  • Raghu’s dynasty - Raghuvamsha – in Ramayana starts with the blessing of divine cow.
  • Service to cows by Shree Krishna and his clan in the age of Mahabharata is exemplary.
  • Adi Shankara gave a prominent position to cow when he re-established Advaita philosophy.
  • Kautilya’s Economic Framework of Maurya era required appointment of a government officer (Godhyksha) to govern the care of cows, grazing land, and feed. (Kautilya Arthashastra – Godhyaksha Chapter)
  • Ashoka the Great believed that cows should prosper for the country to be rich and glorious.
  • Satavahana dynasty treated care for cows and cow offering as supreme.
  • Rajputs bet their lives to protect cows. Mohammed Ghori attacked Prithwiraj keeping cows ahead of his soldiers with wicked intensions. Not willing to kill the cows, Prithwiraj surrendered.
  • When he was 17, Shivaji beheaded a butcher, unable to bear the sight of a cow being dragged to slaughter house.
  • **Babar, the founder of Mogul dynasty, mentions in a letter to his son Humayun never to kill cows. **
  • **Abul Fazal records in Ain-e-Akbari that Akbar prohibited consumption of beef in his kingdom, honouring the sentiments of his Hindu subjects. **
  • **Burnier mentions in his travelogue that Mogul king Jahangir had prohibited cow slaughter and this law was strictly implemented. **
  • **Though majority of the population ate meat in Vijayanagar Empire, none ate beef. **
  • Mark Cubbon, commissioner of Mysore State (1834 – 61), divided the state administration to nine departments, of which ‘Amritha Mahal’, named after the breed of Karnataka’s pride, was dedicated to cow rearing and cow welfare.
  • **A Supreme Court judgement of 1958 notes about an 18th century order by Hyder Ali that if one was found killing a cow, his hands would be cut. **
  • Mysore state had created 240 grazing fields covering 4,13,539 acres through the state, for ‘Benne Chavadi’ breed of cows, which flourished around 1617 under state patronage. In Tipu Sultan’s time, the breed was renamed ‘Amrita Mahal’ and the reserved land was named “Amrita Mahal Reserved Land.”
  • Use of cow and pig fat in cartridges by the British caused the first struggle for freedom in 1857.
  • Madhava Rao Peshwa was the strongest in his dynasty. He prohibited cow slaughter in his kingdom and opined that cow-eaters should be banished from whole of India.
  • Under the leadership of Namdhari Sikh community, Kuka agitation of 1872 fought against establishment of slaughter houses in Punjab.
  • Leading freedom fighters like Veer Savarkar, Chandrashekha Azad, Balagangadhara Tilak, Gopalakrishna Gokhale, Vallabhabahi Patel and Mahatma Gandhi raised voice against cow slaughter. It was also promised that independent India would ban cow slaughter.
  • 18th section of the constitution suggests ban of cow slaughter.
  • In 1966 Lakhs of people agitated near the Parliament in Delhi demanding ban on cow slaughter.
  • In 1979, 1985, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1999 and 2000, private bills were introduced in the parliament demanding ban on cow slaughter.
  • In 1982, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi wrote to the states requesting ban on cow slaughter.
  • Cow slaughter was legally banned in Gurjarat in 1944. Subsequently, Madhya Pradesh, Rajastan, Chattishgarh.
  • National Commission on Cattle (NCC)was created in 2001.
  • Gopala Govardhana Goshala, Pathmed, Rajastan, rears and cares for more than 1,00,000 cows under the leadership of Shree Datta Sharanandaji Maharaj.
  • Go-vigyan Anusandhan Kendra of Nagpur is doing salutary work with research on cows and cow products.
  • There are 4 patents related to cows.
  • Kamadugha movement under the leadership and guidance of Poojya Jagadguru Shankaracharya Shree Raghaveshwara Bharathi Swamiji of Shree Ramachandrapura Math has four causes – protection of Indian breeds of cow, their prosperity, research on them, and their welfare. Amritadhara Gouloka in Hosanagar is protecting and prospering 30 out of the 33 remaining breeds of Indian cows. Plan includes establishing 108 such centres in the country. Financial viability of the project is encouraging.
  • Breed Development Centres are set up for Rati in Bikaner, Devani in Bidar, Andhra Pradesh, Amrita Mahal at Ajjapura, Karnataka, Hallikar at Tumkur, Khilari at Haveri, Krishnateera at Hosanagar, Malanad Gidda at Muliya, Karirangala and Bhankuli, Karnataka, and Kasaragod at Bajakudlu, Kerala. Tharparkar, Haryana also has Breed Development Centres.
  • Currently several religious and other organisations are active in cow protection and prosperity. Pinjarapol network of cow centres is famous.

In Other Parts of the World :

  • Fidel Castro banned cow slaughter in Cuba, which is effective since then.
  • Iran legally prohibits cow slaughter.
  • Eating beef is prohibited in Nupanisa Island of Indonesia
  • 98% of the cattle in Brazil belong to the Indian Ongole breed.
  • Countries like Australia have created ‘Brahman Breed’ by cross breeding local and Indian cows.
  • South Africa has a tradition of offering 20 cows as dowry.
  • Burma used to punish killers of cow with capital punishment.
  • 110th Ahal Sunnat of Afghanistan had issued fatwa against killing of cows.
  • During Babylonian and Sumerian civilization, cow slaughter was banned.
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On the same note we Pakistanis have lots of complaints against our government and folks , but it does not mean that we hate our country and want to change sides.

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^ exactly.

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lolz!

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a buffalo also gives all of this, no? in fact buffalo tends to give more of these, in terms of quantity and quality : D, as far as i know

then why buffalo is allowed to be slaughtered and its meat is available in most of india (as people mentioned in this thread from their experience) but not cow?

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Me neither.. to me it seems to be Pakistanis who say/think this..

I've never come across any Indian Muslim who has said they would rather live in Pakistan either..

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For Hindus I guess it is the same thing, I have never come across anybody who will eat buffalo meat but have an allergy to cow meat. You either eat both or neither I feel. As to why buffalo slaughter is allowed and cow not, I really don't think there is a logical answer. I guess it is just that cow is thought to be more docile and perhaps needing some extra protection as strange as it might sound :) .

Another amusing thing I always wonder is why do Hindus not eat pork. I have hardly come across any Hindus in India who eat pork. "No Beef, No Pork" is a very common sign across many eating places even in places with very low or negligible Muslim populations. As far as I know there isn't even any religious directive against eating pork in Hinduism, but perhaps somebody else knows better.

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when i was in chennai(madras) few years back beef stalls were common every where...

i have seen people buying from stalls.. bet most of them were CHRISTIANS...

also enquired in couple of zoos about food for wild animals(lion,tiger)..they serve around 10 kgs of beef for each animal per day

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One has to see it in a different perspective.

Indian muslims may not be telling others specially Pakistanis because:

1- They do not want to be seen as rebellious to the country which will find another strong reason to hate them.

2- They find alternative way of doing qurbani of goat etc.
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3- They see no reason in telling Pakistanis their problem.

The logical answer would be: Told you so! That would mean ancestors of these Indian muslims who decided to oppose Pakistan creation look bad.

OR Pakiistani will feel proud of living in Pakistan and their ancestors will appear smart.

4- There is nothing a Pakistani muslim can do anyway for Indian muslims problems.

5- Indian muslims would rather move to a third country which has better economy/oppurtunities
Why would they say they would rather live in Pakiistan? No other choices?

6- Pakistanis know Indian muslims do not like the laws as anyone would who wish to do qurbani of cow but not be able to. Makes sense.

Why do few forces demand cow slaughter when beef is eaten in Kerala & Sikkim &Mizoram etc…?

Many times some fascist forces demand ban on cow slaughter by Indian central(federal) government b c/z a cow is accepted as a mother by some faith, I don’t know. That means if non-believers have ownerships of cows, they cannot use them at will rather, they first take permissions from those fascists & then only can use according to their choices. It is like slavery. If someone pets a calf, grows that to maturity, uses for milking but cannot slaughter when she stops giving milk or grows old. who says that that is going to be slaughtered deliberately in an open ground to be watched to hurt sentiments(mischief). I don’t know what the taste of the beef of a cow is as I don’t take even buffaloes beef even as I take meats of a goat or sheep only. But most of people like buffalo’e beef only b coz of low cost & perhaps the taste too.

Surprisingly, many Indian recognised companies export cow’s beef along with buffalo’s , I don’t know.

Reports come in the news that at the Barmer & Jaisalmer borders such useless cows are driven to Pakistan from India & to the borders of Bangladesh, 36,000 cows are driven every month as reported recently by BBC. An Islamic religious seminary issued directives to Indian Muslims for not slaughtering cows on Eidul Adha to respect sentiments of majority community as neighbours are not to be hurt, Islamically.

In Kerala, majority of Hindus take beef of cows. In Sikkim too all 22 tribes take. Same is true for all eastern Christian majority states like Manipur, Mizoram & Nagaland. So, don’t ban demanding forces know this fact ? If so, why don’t they demand ban there first before demanding ban in whole nation ? Many genuine questions will arise ? How to manage old & useless cows not giving milk ? Generally, such useless cows & oxen are left on the roads & jungles in India, many visible on roads of metro cities too causing many accidents. To save one cow on a railway bridge in Bihar, the driver suddenly put the break which failed & entire train fell in Ganga river killing all passengers in that in 1981.

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I was told that many times India’s BJP has mentioned ban on cow slaughter in its election manifestoes.
During Dogra Rulership(1846 - 1947) in Kashmir, if anyone was slaughtering a cow, his house was closed from outside with family members inside, surrounded by straws & burnt to ashes along with all persons inside. When there was a draught there in 1877, many people slaughtered their own cows. All were killed like that.
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