Ban the V.H.P

Is it not time that the VHP and other groups affiliated to its extremist views against the minorities are permanently Banned and actions taken against their leaders for the wholesale destruction and murder of innocent civilians in Gujarat State?

Bharatiya Awami Party demands ban on Sangh parivar outfits](http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=&id=89852)
Outlook India 10 Oct 02 (excerpt)

Alleging that Sangh Parivar outifts like VHP and Bajrang Dal as well as Shiv Sena were “orchestrating a hate-campaign against minorities” in the country, the Bharatiya Awami Party today asked the NDA government at the Centre to ban the organisations.

“The Sangh parivar outfits and Shiv Sena have vitiated the communal atmosphere by launching a tirade against the minorities-Muslims and Christians–which could endanger the unity and integrity of the country,” the party’s national general secretary Lal Bahadur Singh said in a statement here. …

Yes, it seems that India as become a theocratic State.
Some of Indian TV channels are openly propagating VHP/RSS religion-biased views, as if they have to beat PTV.

Millions of people do care about whats happening in Gujarat State.. the Indian authorities are guilty of implementing a policy of ethnic cleansing within the State, this is very much a part of Operation Hindunisation, a policy to eliminate minority religions with the official backing of the BJP.

aside from personal attacks in this thread, i think the initial post did bring up a good point. Hate based groups like these should be monitored and shut down. Luckily we had done some of that in Pakistan over last few years although more work needs to be done.

However, even if a group is shut down officially, it can still exist underground and carry on its sinsiter plans.

Agreed with fraudia, action should be taken to ban all these hate groups. I think its about time the International community bans the VHP which has publicly stated its support of violence against the minorities.

A senior member of the VHP has admitted to preparing lists of people and property to be attacked.

It had to be done, VHP leader says of riots Excerpt

In a startling revelation, Professor Keshavram Kashiram Shastri, 96-year-old chairman of the Gujarat unit of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, told rediff.com that the list of shops owned by Muslims in Ahmedabad was prepared on the morning of February 28 itself. …

"Asked why they did it, he responded, “Karvun j pade, karvun j pade (it had to be done, it had to be done). We don’t like it, but we were terribly angry. Lust and anger are blind.” He said the rioters were “kelvayela Hindu chokra” (well-bred Hindu boys). " …

“These things [non-violence] look good in the shastras. Our boys were charged because in Godhra women and children were burnt alive. The crowd was spontaneous. All of them were not VHP people. The Waghri community (a scheduled caste) didn’t even know the victims of Godhra, but they have done an amazing job! They are not our members. In villages all these people who were angry are not our people. They are angry because Hindutva was attacked. This is an outburst, a tremendous outburst that will be difficult to roll back.”

Although this is from earlier this year, the Christians of India have also been the target of violent attacks by VHP supporters, one of the main organisations representing their views is continuing its campaign for the International banning of the VHP and groups affiliated to its extremist policies.

Christian Council seeks global ban on VHP

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/2002/03/08/stories/2002030806191100.htm

NEW DELHI, MARCH 7. The All India Christian Council has called for an international ban on the activities of the VHP, its affiliates and frontal organisations abroad and an investigation into its funding sources in the U.S., Canada, the U.K. and other European countries.

Condemning the violence caused by religious extremists in Gujarat, the Council today said that it would move the United Nations High Commission on Human Rights and other bodies to investigate the activities and funding of the VHP and its affiliates overseas. It has also urged the Supreme Court and the National Human Rights Commission to investigate the Gujarat Government and police complicity in the communal carnage.

While agreeing with the Prime Minister, A.B. Vajpayee’s view that the violence had defamed India’s name internationally, the Council has sought to underline the point that the carnage was primarily because "of the inaction of his Government and the complicity of the Government of Gujarat in the violence’'. "Nothing short of a ban on the VHP/Bajrang Dal and its affiliates will build national credibility.‘’

I hope the Indians control the scourge of theocratic extremism soon. VHP is clearly an extremist outfit.

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I hope the Indians control the scourge of theocratic extremism soon. VHP is clearly an extremist outfit.
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They can't!

How can you ban a party that is controlling the puppet BJP government?

VHP,RSS,BAJRANG DAL,shiv sena all are a part of sangh parivar or the hindu family
the bjp is ruled by these organisations and they cleverly diassasociate themselves from each other after every controversy. mr togadia of vhp called sonia a "bitch" and the bjp says it has got nothing to do with his statements. when actually its the vhp who is running india today.
can you imagine lashkar e taiba ruling pakistan?

following article gives the real reason for the cmuunal devide.

Dr Moonis Ahmar

The writer is Associate Professor,

Department of International Relations, University of Karachi

[email protected]

It was the colonial rule, which began to give rise to various controversies sharpening division between Hindus and Muslims. It is also important to note that the controversies were between political elites of these communities rather than masses of these communities." This is what Dr Asghar Ali Engineer, an eminent Indian scholar said in his paper presented on the occasion of a three-day international conference on "Politics and Security in South Asia: Salience of religion and culture" organised by the Bangladesh Institute of Strategic and International Studies (BIISS) in collaboration with the German Embassy, Dhaka from October 8-10. Twenty participants from South Asia and abroad participated in that conference and dwelt at length the dynamics of religion and culture in the context of politics and security of the region.

Dialogue between different cultures and religions is vital for peace and stability of any society. The problem with South Asia since 1947 has been the over politicisation of religion resulting in the outbreak of hundreds of communal and sectarian riots claiming thousands of lives. Unfortunate happenings in the Indian state of Gujarat in which thousands of Muslims and Hindus became a victim of religious fanaticism is a vivid example of how the lack of meaningful dialogue and tolerance between different religions could lead to insanity and the loss of innocent lives. Ambassador Dr Gunter Mulack, Commissioner for the Dialogue of Civilisations, German Foreign Office, Berlin was right when he said in the inaugural session of the conference that "one should find out the causes of violence instead of calling for Crusades or Jihad. The only way one can deal with the virus of religious intolerance is by promoting better education and the alleviation of poverty through sustained and collective means. That the Islamic world needs to meet the challenges of 21st century by putting its own house in order instead of blaming others for their problems and the predicament." In the post-September 11, 2001 situation, one can see a sharp polarisation between the Muslim and the Western worlds. The growing frustration in a section of Muslim society in the aftermath of Israel's policy of liquidating the Palestinians through massive use of military power and the policy pursued by the Bush administration to change the Iraqi regime by force tend to raise a fundamental question: how a situation of peaceful coexistence could be created among different religions and cultures?

The BIISS-German embassy conference in Dhaka dealt with the fundamental issues of religions based politics and the failure of secular forces to stop the process of fanaticism, particularly in South Asia. The biggest problem which the South Asian countries are facing today concern the failure of state actors to rein in those forces who promote communal and sectarian hatred and destabilise society. The only solution to deal with the predicament faced by South Asia today is to encourage reason based, instead of communal based politics, because, as long as politics is pursued for further dividing the society on religious and cultural grounds, the result could be more insecurity and violence.

Four important factors of reason based politics need to be taken into account while examining the reality of religious intolerance in South Asia. First, for a successful political culture, it is essential that those who are involved in the political process do politics on the basis of reasoning instead of rhetoric. Unfortunately, what has happened in South Asia is total lack of responsibility expressed not only by the politicians, but also by the policy-makers in dealing with the sensitive issues of religion and culture. Instead of dealing with critical issues in a rational manner which divide society, they encourage parochial politics resulting into the outbreak of violence and loss of human lives as happened during the recent communal riots in the Indian state of Gujarat and the killing of Christians in Pakistan. The problem with most of the political leaders and their parties in South Asia is they prefer following a short cut to power instead of pursuing a policy, which requires patience. To them the easiest way to win elections is by encouraging communal and ethnic feelings of their voters without realising the fact that such a policy could result into the fragmentation of society.

If reason based politics is practiced by political parties, they can ensure tolerance, sanity and political stability. Second, reason based politics also requires the civil society to remain vigilant and exclude all such elements in its midst who promote hate and violence against a particular community. But, the fact is, the civil society in South Asia is divided into moderates and hard liners. The traditional notion of civil society only representing progressive, secular and moderate sections of society is not valid in a given situation because as things stand, a strong section of civil society in South Asia is composed of extremist religious and ethnic groups. As it appears from political trends in Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, one can see the marginalisation of secular and moderate forces of civil society and the assertion of those groups who advocate intolerance and the use of force against a particular ethnic group or religious minority. Recent elections held in Pakistan also depict the emergence of religious groups as a strong factor in the country's politics. In India, the ruling coalition led by the BJP is involved in religious and communal based politics and the Indian civil society has not been able to do much to stop the process of religious persecution of minorities. Therefore, the division of civil society, into moderates and hardliners, also shows the failure of those who want to do reason, instead of religious based politics.

Third, it is also the responsibility of the state to promote reason-based politics because if state actors are involved in communal and ethnic schism the result could be anarchy in society. But, in South Asia, it is very unfortunate to see that in some cases it is the state policy to promote religious intolerance and target a particular religious or ethnic minority. India, which is the largest state of South Asia is facing the predicament of communal violence, particularly in the aftermath of Gujarat riots. It is beyond any shadow of doubt that the state government in Gujarat, which belongs to BJP, followed a policy of fanning communal hatred against the Muslim minority. If it becomes a state policy in India today to target religious minorities like Muslims and Christians, it means the total failure of secular or reason based politics in that country. In Pakistan, during the days of President General Zia-ul-Haq, the state policy was to target a particular sect, which resulted in sectarian based politics thus polarising Pakistani society into Shias and Sunnis. In Sri Lanka, till lately, it was the state policy to target the Tamil minority, which led to bloody civil war for more than two decades. Only recently, ethnic based politics in Sri Lanka has been replaced with reason-based politics leading to ceasefire between the security forces and the Tamil Tigers. Finally, media plays an important role in promoting or neglecting reason based politics. But, one can see that a large section of media played an irresponsible role during the Gujarat riots resulting into massive killings and looting. The problem is, the English media in South Asia, which to a great extent supports reason based politics is not read by the majority of people. On the other hand, a large section of vernacular press read by the majority, is involved in fanning flames of religious, sectarian, communal and ethnic hatred. If print and electronic media behave in a responsible manner and project issues, which are rational in nature, much can be done to curb those forces who promote and project religious based politics.

It seems the reason-based politics in South Asia is the only solution to effectively deal with the cycle of ethnic, communal and sectarian violence. If state, society, political parties and media agree that they will support reason and rather than irrational based politics, much can be done to stabilise things in the region. Because of the tendency among political parties to follow short cut to power, reason based politics is not preferred by them. Most important, it is only through reason-based politics by which the energies of people could be directed in the right direction. If issues which are of a critical nature like poverty, education, environment, water and so forth are seriously considered by political parties, state actors and the media, much can be done to improve the socio-economic conditions of people and marginalise those who focus their political agenda on seeking power through short cuts. It is time, the South Asian countries liberate their minds from parochial issues and concentrate their energies on dealing with matters of human survival.

Another sanguine comment frrom the VHP…

Murder of ‘cow killers’ in India prompts much soul searching

Luke Harding in New Delhi
Tuesday October 22, 2002
The Guardian

A Hindu religious leader has welcomed the murders of five men accused by a mob of killing a cow, India’s most sacred animal, claiming that the life of the creature is more important than that of a human.
The victims in the north Indian state of Haryana hailed from the downtrodden Dalit caste, called “untouchables”.

Police claim a 4,000-strong mob, incensed by the cow skins carried in the men’s truck, attacked the Dalits and killed them. Other witnesses, however, insist the police killed them because they had refused to pay a bribe. Officers then allegedly spread the word that the Dalits had killed a cow to induce a vengeful mob.

To compound suspicions of a cover-up, the officer in charge of the case carried out a postmortem late last week - on the cow. And police have yet to make any arrests.

The case touches on several themes in modern Indian society: police unaccountability; the rise of violent Hindu extremism; and the persistence of India’s ancient caste system.

It also raises the question: can a cow’s life be worth more than that of a human? The answer, says Giriraj Kishore, a leader of the extremist religious Hindu group, Vishwa Hindu Parishad, is yes. Respected Hindu papers such as the Indian Express called it horrific.

Ratan Singh, whose 27-year-old son was burned to death, said the families had been skinning cows for generations, that they had been working on council contracts, and that their truck would never have carried a carcass.

He said that one man was so seriously beaten that police had “to spread the story that they were killing a cow”.

The men’s bodies - “half-burned, their eyes gouged out”, were found in hospital.

“Untouchability” survives in many Indian villages, despite laws designed to protect Dalits, and to reserve jobs for them in the civil service.

Although Dalits are at the bottom of the caste heap, some point out that the cows’ lot in India is not always a happy one either - thousands die each year after ingesting plastic bags from rubbish heaps.

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How can you ban a party that is controlling the puppet BJP government?
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Please don't forget, there are Muslims as well who support BJP Govt.

For instance, Ghulam Nabi Azad.

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Please don't forget, there are Muslims as well who support BJP Govt.

For instance, Ghulam Nabi Azad.
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So? There were Muslims who opposed Pakistan too? Are you forgetting that the biggest puppet they have in Kashmir (Farooq Abdullah) is Muslim...

even musharuff's and jinnha's rel;atives live india. so not all
muslims support pakistan.

The question is WHY the VHP / Sh-it Sena and their affialiates are getting away with cold blooded Murder. Over 2,000 innocent civilians were murdered, either chopped to pieces or burnt alive by the VHP and their supporters. The BJP Government has FAILED to take action against these Hindutva terror groups which advocate the elemination of all minority religions from India.

VHP behind lynching of Dalits

New Delhi, Oct 17. (PTI): The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) was today charged with yesterday’s lynching of five Dalits in Jhajjar district of Haryana. Both the CPI(M) and the All India Confederation of SC/ST Organisations accused the VHP as being directly involved in the gory incident.

The SC/St Confederation chairman Udit Raj claimed that there were reports about VHP attempting to sabotage the process of law in this regard. Speaking to reporters Raj said: “This shows their involvement in this tragic act. I am sure the killing is carried out at the behest of VHP.”

For its part the CPI- today demanded stringent action against VHP elements who, it alleged, whipped up mob frenzy leading to the lynching of the five Dalits. “It is shocking that the lynching took place in front of police officers, the city Magistrate and other authorities who made no effort to use force to prevent the killings,” the party Polit Bureau said in a statement.

Demanding the arrest of VHP elements “who instigated the attack” and action against the officials, the CPI-M claimed the five persons were targeted because “they were skinning a dead cow which they had bought for disposal. It is obvious that the communal elements deliberately utilised the situation to whip up mob frenzy”.

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So? There were Muslims who opposed Pakistan too? Are you forgetting that the biggest puppet they have in Kashmir (Farooq Abdullah) is Muslim...
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Ahaan.

The VHP must be banned from raising funds in the US and Europe. If this does not happen than it can only mean a SLAP in the face for International Justice. One just wonders why the Bush administration is very KEEN to ban other organisations on circumstancial evidence but when it comes to BANNING Hindutva terror groups, with Conclusive evidence of their direct involvement in the killing of over 2000 Indian muslims, than there is no action whatsoever.

In my opinion, it would be better from Pakistan's foreign policy point of view for these groups to operate in India at its maximum potential. Because, the more they kill innocent people in India, the more the international community is going to find out about the real secularists...