Assalam o Alaikum all
I believe that given the security situation at pakistan specialy at karachi, why dont government ban religious and other processions.
I dont think that such gatherings are fardh or wajib, so why not ban them at all for the time being.
As a result people will not become hosatge in their home for weeks at certain areas and terrorist wont be having free sitting targets.
Your take on this.
PS: For those who disagree, please try to be civil and to the point.
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Assalam o Alaikum all
I believe that given the security situation at pakistan specialy at karachi, why dont government ban religious and other processions.
I dont think that such gatherings are fardh or wajib, so why not ban them at all for the time being.
As a result people will not become hosatge in their home for weeks at certain areas and terrorist wont be having free sitting targets.
Your take on this.
PS: For those who disagree, please try to be civil and to the point.
Walaikum as-salaam,
I'm not in agreement with you yet I'm not in disagreement either. The problem is that every so-called Islamic country today does not follow shar'iah the way they should. The problems in Karachi are but minuscule when compared on a global scale regarding the Ummah. In the modern world, people have turned religion into a joke and use it only to their own ends being that lust for power, wealth and control. Having a half-shar'iah system is just as bad as not having one at all. You confuse the people and then you inadvertently create a hybrid Islamic law where people only follow what's required.
The problem is that there is a huge misconception to what shar'iah law really is in the modern world because many other modern forms of government and laws have everyone thinking that just because it is newer and more common that it works. Of course, this isn't the case at all. So when you ask what our thoughts are on abolishing shar'iah law in Pakistan, I only agree to the extent that we abolish whatever halfa** system in the name of Islam is currently in place there and establish true shar'iah power. Keep in mind, this would root out all the corrupt politicians as well and this would never be accepted in modern society.
And no offense brother, not to de-rail your thread, but if ANY so-called Islamic country today followed shar'iah law, we would all be supporting each other throughout these wars as well as helping the Palestinians.
Our beloved Rasool, sallalahu alaihi wa'sallam, said, "Islam is naught but a single nation".
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Peace All,
What religious and other processions hav to do with security? I don’t get it.
Peace Sandninjer,
Plz quote the references for the above saying. Thankx.
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ban or no ban target killings will go on ..
which religious or any other processions creates this? for weeks?
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how about just banning guns indefinitely? anyone seen with a gun goes to jail.
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^Definately!
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Muharram and rabi ul Awal jaloos makes life difficult for people. I dont see any benefit in blocking roads , making a high security alert situation which also cost high on tax payers just to please certain groups.
This should also be done, but it is like banning on double sawari , either you snap check all traffic as terrorist will not be telling all that i have the gun.
What religious significane it has for shias (muharram jaloos) and sunnis (12th Rabi ul Awal)?
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Muharram and rabi ul Awal jaloos makes life difficult for people. I dont see any benefit in blocking roads , making a high security alert situation which also cost high on tax payers just to please certain groups.
Peace bao bihari,
I think it is not about a certain groups but for the protection of nationals.
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^ Yes it is.
What i wanted to say is that why there is need to incur such a cost? cant we do these majalis/conferances at masjaid and imam bargas.
Is there any religious requirement for these juloos /conferances etc? I believe not.
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Peace Bao Bihari,
I agreed such juloos / conferences can be organized at specific center and not openly (in case if there is need) otherwise regular prays are enough (i think), but how they'll pass one information to another I mean to keep updates others too who lives in another village, town, city, country.
Like if I want to keep updates my clients than i'll contact them via email, telephone, pager, or by person who are out of reach of daily life adorns. So by such majalis / juloos / conferences members joins at large even from another country. Such majalis/juloos/conferences keep rituals alive generation-next-negeration not by only knowledge but practically.
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Peace Bao Bihari,
I agreed such juloos / conferences can be organized at specific center and not openly (in case if there is need) otherwise regular prays are enough (i think), but how they'll pass one information to another I mean to keep updates others too who lives in another village, town, city, country.
Like if I want to keep updates my clients than i'll contact them via email, telephone, pager, or by person who are out of reach of daily life adorns. So by such majalis / juloos / conferences members joins at large even from another country. Such majalis/juloos/conferences keep rituals alive generation-next-negeration not by only knowledge but practically.
Why is the need to keep such juloos , majalis,conferances alive? is deen not complete yet?
Ban on processions-Religious rulings?
That is their belief. You have no right in telling anyone else what they need or dont need; just as they cant tell you what you should or should not be doing. Respect goes both ways ..you see?
As for banning majalises and jaloos; that is exactly what the terrorists want. the idea is to beef up security; as opposed to banning everything! Else well be banning jummah prayers, mosque gatherings; and bus travelling next! Theres no logic to the argument!
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Peace bao bihari & Ma Mooli,
Of’coz deen is completed and there is no doubt in that. I heard that ‘those’ who are gather in majalis / conferences and do Dhikar of Almighty Allah and His Prophet Muhammad 
than ask dua for forgiveness, Almighty Allah witnesses the angels that I Have forgiven these pplz of so and so majalis / conferences.
and I agree Ma mooli that what ‘terrorists’ wants to spread fear in all those majalis / conferences attenders. What else will be left in community if there is no majalis / conferences? only ‘fina’ i.e., dance party, singers shows etc., etc.
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please someone explain this to me: exactly HOW does taking out a march, painting the city green and playing painfully loud naats (in rabbi ul awal) display our sincere love for the Prophet SAW? how does it make us better muslims??? and dont get me started on all the electrical energy WASTED on lighting up the city, its insane.
it is a disturbance, it is an annoyance, and it is extravagance… if the green turban folks feel so strongly about it, they should do all of the above within the confines of their mosques (with the loudspeaker switched off please, some of us like to sleep at night 
)
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Peace pinks,
Kiya zamana a giya hy na ke nowadays all Islamic juloos / conferences are played loudly and 'Disco Dandiya', music on any marriage ceremony played silently.
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^ Yes it is.
What i wanted to say is that why there is need to incur such a cost? cant we do these majalis/conferances at masjaid and imam bargas.
Is there any religious requirement for these juloos /conferances etc? I believe not.
As much as I would like to agree with you on this because I find that you only want to create a situation that avoids violence I am forced to disagree, because the solution you provide favors the people who are behind these attacks. They want a stop to these processions and "conferences" as you call them. Can you or anyone in Pakistan for that matter guarantee the safety of minorities if they stop these processions(not to say that they should stop with their processions)? If you can then you will have a point to endorse but seeing as you neither have the data nor the right interests to back up your claim of how this ban will create a peaceful situation it seems rather ignorant to suggest such a half-baked solution to the problem. IMO this ban will work only to serve the interest of those terrorists and war mongers who want nothing but to destroy the peace of the nation.
What I would suggest is that the process be made more streamlined and the local authorities provide more support to these processions whilst also thinking of those who are not in attendance so that the traffic situation can be dealt with more efficiently. Banning it all together will hurt the sentiments of the people involved and we only want peace not war!
P.S I italicized a part of your statement for a reason think on it.
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^its not individuals who want to ban the procession you are talking about, mainstream Islam as a religion recognizes it [the procession] as an act of jahiliya. fact
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The majority, and I feel confident in saying 99%, of Shias are killed outside of jalooses. 99% of that 99% are when the Shia is leaving or entering their home or workplace.
Queer wins the thread. You'll ban marches but you won't ban the #1 tool of evil. What are guns needed in Pakistan for anyway?
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^its not individuals who want to ban the procession you are talking about, mainstream Islam as a religion recognizes it [the procession] as an act of jahiliya. fact
What you have displayed with those comments is your own ignorance (jahalat) from Islam.