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The blame is on our own doings lack of knowledge, lack of desire to follow the knowledge we have as well as lack of desire to gain the knowledge. I wouldn’t blame any government for that. Yes, when we don’t impart knowledge of what we think is right then what we get in next generation is degenerates, no?
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Aejaz
It’s not a rocket science to figure out what I said. Could you please tell me where did I say “America is bad” specifically. Generalization is a very bad thing. I criticize Bush’s fascist regime and their foreign policies but that doesn’t imply that the whole America is bad.
WRONG! You have absolutely no clue how American Political system works. In US, city, county, state and federal governments operate independently of each in most cases. The federal govt has nothing to do with it if some particular county decides whether to allow azaan on loudspeaker or not unless their decision is challenges in Supreme Court. So please get your facts straight before you start an argument.
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Please refrain from making personal attacks, as it violates the forum's policy and try sticking to the topic, thank you.
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all this talk and still no one knows whether they banned azan on loud-speakers or just the namaaz, which was all prayed with loud-speakers on earlier....
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When loudspeakers were introduced to the Muslim world, it was religious clerics who opposed the usage of loudspeakers, calling it a Fitna and Fatwas were issued forbidding its usage. Now that they have a taste of its power, they dont want to let go of it.
Azaan is an essential part of Islamic religion, there is no debate on that issue. Question which needs to be asked is whether inviting Muslims to prayers through a loudspeaker is acceptable even though it may disturb those with different religious beliefs. Does Islam allow such behaviour?
I remember listening to my American friend who had moved in a Muslim country for the very first time and was shaken by early (Fajar) call to prayers. He thought there was a bomb scare or something. How would he know, unfortunately for him he was put in a room right next to the Mosque loudspeakers.
Question that needs to be answered is whether heavy or exaggerated use of any thing is acceptable under Islamic law and jurisprudence, if not then there is something fundamentally wrong with the way loudspeakers are used to announce call for prayers.
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yep, leave it to the "moderate muslim" to always know the right thing....
when molvis r against speaker, they say molvis r ignorant ppl who dont like technology....
when molvis want speakers, they say they r too loud and shud not be used....
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Agent Smith Bhai,
I am going to take your word about not saying the Whole of America is bad, and Not because I cannot prove it, if you insist i will still make it my week end project and dig up enough dirt for you, the only reason I am refraining is because Sadiyah Baaji has just intervened and, and like she said, I sincerely do NOT want to derail this discussion and also I do not want to get personal here.
Now rather than discussing the American Political System, about which in your opinion I am obviously an Ignorant!!!, what Sir is your opinion about an ISLAMIC COUNTRY banning the use of Loud Speakers for Calling the faithful to Prayers, (and like ARMughal Bhai correctly pointed out it is not confirmed weather its about the Azan or the Namaz!!).
I would still like to know your learned opinion and stand on this issue, Can you please enlighten me!!!
Aejaz
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ARMughal Bhai,
I am hoping that you have not enveloped me into the “Moderate Muslim Cloak” specially the kind that I know you despise.
I have ALWAYS BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERY THING ISLAMIC!!! even in this discussion I have stood up for it, rather than against it!!!
Kabhi Kabhi aap ki sarcasm bhi naa, jaane dou bhai!!! In my Honest opinion I dont think Fart Guru Bhai is talking about anything wrong, because I am sure, many a Muslims from this Forum will Rise and Say, in the time of the Prophet, the Azan was said from roof tops, So why change now???
What would you call them Bhai, Mod Muslims, or Fanatics???
Aejaz
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Aejaz bhai, I responded with a reply but it got deleted. So I won’t go again into the details. All I am going to say is that I will praise good things whether they are done by Seculars or by mullahs. I believe that giving azaan on loud speaker has become an integral part of religion. Please read Lusi’s post above. She has explained it very well. So when such things are altered by “roshan Khyal” Muslims in order to please non-Muslims then I call such actions are secular degenerates anti Islamic agenda. Please don’t reply and if you do please don’t expect my response, because I will be getting out of here to enjoy my 4 days weekend holiday :)
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Lajawab Bhai,
Me too am really really occupied right now, and dont want to waste your time either, But if you can, I would still like a response from you about an Islamic Country, Banning the Use of Loud Speakers to call the faithful for Salat/Namaz.
There is no rush what so ever you can reply after the 4 day long weekend.
Waise Happy Thanks Giving and Happy Holidays, gobble gobble gobble, again Happy Holidays.
Aejaz
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I started the topic and I see a lot of people fighting over it. All I wanted to discuss was, Is banning of loudspeaker justifiable under the sharia? Any supporting Ayats from Quran And Hadith. Any way I think I should paste the exact news that came in the news paper.
TO USE OR NOT TO USE
BY AFKAR ABDULLAH (Staff Reporter)
18 November 2005
The recent decision by the Dubai Department of Islamic Affairs banning use of loudspeakers for daily prayers has evoked a mixed response from people and scholars.
Religious scholars believe that the decision was in conformity with Islamic principles, but several Muslims in the emirate do not appreciate the move.
Incidentally, Islamic Affairs officials from other emirates, which currently allow use of loudspeakers for daily prayers as well as azzan, Friday and Eid prayers, and sermons, also support the Dubai Islamic Affairs decision, stating: “if necessary, we will also implement a similar ban in future.”
Speaking to City Times, a scholar from Dubai Islamic Affairs, quoting from the Holy Quran, said that a person, when he prays, is required to use his or her voice at a moderate level. “Call on Allah or call on the All-Merciful, whichever you call upon, the Most Beautiful Names are His. Do not be too loud in your prayer or too quiet in it, but try to find a way between the two” (Surat Al Isra: 110), he quoted from the verses.
“As the verses reveal, the form of worship described in the Holy Quran is far from ostentation. It is not performed to impress people, the sole purpose is the due fulfillment of one’s duty towards the Creator. The Holy Quran emphasises this point strongly,” he said.
“In verses related to prayer, there are strong references to ‘Calling on Allah, making one’s religion sincerely His,’ which means, performing one’s prayer to earn Allah’s good pleasure alone and not seeking any other purpose.”
He said there is no religious harm if the loudspeaker is not used for five daily prayers during the week days. But it should be used for Friday prayers because of the several merits associated with it – firstly, it is the day when all Muslims assemble together at a central place in their neighbourhood for the purpose of remembering Allah through congressional prayer. “Friday and Eid prayers should be offered publicly at a place where all Muslims may come to attend without hindrance,” the scholar said.
Dr Hamad Al Shaibani, Director-General of the Dubai Islamic Affairs and Charitable Activities, explained that loudspeakers should be used for azzan so that all Muslims can hear it and attend the prayer in the mosque in group if they want, or offer their prayer at any place.
Azzan should be announced on loudspeakers to remind people who may be busy, of the prayer time. The loudspeaker should also be used for Friday and Eid prayers as they are important days for Muslims to get together to praise and thank the God.
In Dubai, mosques are allowed to use only internal loudspeakers during the normal daily prayers during the week while conducting the group prayer so as to allow faithful inside the mosque to follow the Imam.
Meanwhile, Mohammed Abdulrahman Al Kamali, Director of Justice and Islamic Affairs in Ajman, disclosed that loudspeakers are being used in all the mosques in the emirate for prayers, azzan, and Friday sermons as well as Eid prayers.
The office had not received any complaints from residents against the use of loudspeakers while performing the daily prayers.
“But, if the majority of the residents have a problem over the use of loudspeakers, the office would immediately direct the mosques to use only the internal speaker and restrict the use of loudspeakers for azzan, Friday sermons and Eid prayers,” he said.
In fact, he said many people in Ajman are interested in hearing the prayers daily and they call us to increase the volume so that their children can get used to azzan and prayer.
An official from the Sharjah Awqaf and Islamic Affairs Department said loudspeakers are being used in some mosques of the emirate for prayers, but are not used in mosques located close to residential buildings.
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that is crazy and sad indeed…i like azaan so much, it is such a good feeling to hear it…makes me feel really good…maybe because I’m usually deprived of it, as I live somewhere where it is banned (ie France)
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very funny a country with “in God we trust” on their bills and president swearing over the bible ain’t secular..USA is a religious country:D
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Here is the link Sadiyah. I think you have to copy and paste it in the add bar.
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you see The whole link is shortened with Dots “…” I dont know how to post it. I’ll try again
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Displayarticle.asp?
section=citytimes&xfile=data/citytimes/
2005/november/citytimes_november320.xml
may be this will do, copy paste them with out space in the add bar
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And who are you to dictate how muslims should live in a muslim state?
You have a problem with Azaans, move out.
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oh come on sharaabi,dont mind such people....
wait for tht time when these people will start justifying illegal sex,drinks and the like....
and i hope tht some lady from any NGO,s will love to lead the way towards " mera banaya howa islam"...