Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C01%5C11%5Cstory_11-1-2006_pg3_5
DT: It is said that the cantonments will help secure the area against subversive activities because of the threats from the former Taliban and the Al Qaeda.

**SSKM: **What nonsense. There are no fanatical Muslims in Balochistan. They are the most secular people in Pakistan.

Another incident comes to mind is of the first and only gay marriage in pakistan coming from baluchistan. Now whether it’s right or wrong is different issue but to allow this to happen in such a fanatically islamic society smacks of higher level of tolerance and secularism.

Now this indian MP visits Baluchistan and

Crossing borders, making history

****Indian MP says he has made the trip of a lifetime
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*****By Kamal Siddiqi


**KARACHI: For Manvendra Singh, 41, member of the Indian parliament from Barmer (Rajasthan), it was a dream come true. As part of the 86-member Indian delegation (almost all male) that crossed over from India into Pakistan on Monday morning, history was made in a number of ways.
First of all, Manvendra was part of a pilgrimage that has resumed after a gap of about 60 years. Accompanied by both Hindus and Muslims from different parts of India, particularly Rajasthan and Gujrat, they were heading for the Hinglaj Temple in Lasbela district of Balochistan.
This historic temple, one of the oldest known in the region, is equally venerated by both Hindu and Muslim. For the Baloch, it is known as “Nani ka Mandir.” The Indian delegation pilgrimage once again raises hopes for thousands of devotees in India to make the trip if and when the Munabao-Khokhrapar border crossing is officially opened.
For the border crossing itself, it was for the first time since 1965 that people were allowed to cross over from one country to another - either by foot, by car or by train. Manvendra Singh, who had been dreaming of this moment for a very long time, also had the privilege of being one of two people allowed to drive through in his personal car into Pakistan. This again has happened for the first time in several decades.
The choice of people for the trip was apt. The delegation comprises a number of MPs, including Bharatendra Singh, all the way from Bijnor in UP. There is also an MP from Katch who has also come to plead for the resumption of the steamer service between Karachi and his area.
Asked to describe his feelings, the BJP MP has no words. “All I can say is that it is a dream come true.” A former journalist with the Indian Express and a Masters in Arabic History from the School of Oriental and African Studies in London, this is not Manvendra’s first visit to Pakistan and yet it will be his most memorable.
Dressed in traditional Rajasthani clothes and sporting a colorful Pugree, he says: “I have been planning to come with my wife and kids for many years now but this could not happen for one reason or another. Now I have had the chance to make this historic visit only because we got special permission.”
Part of his family is with him: his father, Indian opposition leader and former external affairs minister, Jaswant Singh, heads the delegation while his brother, a hotelier by profession, is also with the group (he was driving a 4WD with Jaisalmer number plates).
On Tuesday morning, the group, accompanied by a posse of security persons, made their way to Balochistan. The whole idea of coming to Pakistan and making the visit to the Hinglaj temple is a goodwill gesture, maintain members of the delegation.
Manvendra Singh is also the national spokesperson for the BJP, the party on whose ticket he first lost an election in 1999 and then won a seat in 2004. For him, the trip has to be seen in three different contexts. “First of all, our arrival signals the resumption of an age-old tradition of visiting the Hinglaj shrine,” he says.
He then adds: “Then there is the fact that of all the borders that India has with its neighbors, the Rajasthan-Sindh stretch is the only one where it has not seen any problems of any kind despite the fact that there is a common population on both sides.” Such a border needs to be opened.
Finally, Manvendra says that as a politician, the opening of the border crossing with Pakistan is very important for him. “After water, this was the second most important demand made during the elections. This demand came ahead of asking for roads, hospitals and schools. So you can see how important it is for my constituents. I am now working to fulfill that demand.”
The trip from zero point to Karachi took about nine hours because of the overwhelming response the visitors got all the way. People have come out on the roads to welcome them and hundreds turned up at different points. “It was overwhelming,” says the MP.
The deputy high commissioner of India in Pakistan, T.C.A. Ragahavan, is also accompanying the guests.
With the crossing on Monday morning, the India-Pakistan border at Sindh-Rajasthan has once again been brought back to life. The potential for tourism through this route is immense if the two countries allow private vehicles to cross over in addition to the proposed train service, say many observers.

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Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

Ramzi Yusuf, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Aimal Kasi were all from Balochistan. Al Qaeda is said to have cells in Balochistan and Mullah Omar was also alleged to be in hiding there.

In addition many Sunni Balochis have been radicalized by the treatment of Sunnis in Iran after Ayatollahs revolution. Sardar Mazari is mistaken on this account. While many Baloch sardars are indeed leftist and secular, it is not true for all of Balochistan.

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

May be 5-10 years later when it become democratic republic of Balochistan.India can have very good relations and then we can see a lot more piligrimage in 'NANI KA MANDIR'

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

None of them are Balochi.

Quetta are parts of Balochistan are being used by the Taleban who are being supported by the Pakistani ISI, ready to be sent back to Afghanistan if the need ever arises.

The problem of religious fanaticism does not exist within the Balochis to the extent the Army is needed. Rather it is the Army itself that is involved.

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

Ramzi Yusuf and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed are said to be of Balochi ethnicity and they certainly look that way. Irani balochis have also been radicalized. Likewise Karachi based Balochis have been involved in jihadi activities. Not to mention, JI's deputy leader Liaquat Baloch sahib.

It's not as cut and dry as Mazari sahib wants to say, unless he means to not include the pashtun areas of balochistan in his statement as well. Even then, he would be wrong. No ethnicity is free from religious fanaticism.

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

Aimal Kansi is balochi (infact a sizeable balochi tribe) which showed up at its funeral!

I don't know why stinky gujjus have to jump into topics that they know nothing of?

If they are able to do "things" with computers (and even there they have stinked up the whole field like they did with doctors in the eighties)

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

Agreed, but the fight in Balochistan is between Baloch nationalists and Army, not Balochi Islamic extremists. The excuse of the latter is what Pak Army uses to conquer more and more of Balochistan

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

I think the fight in Baloch is really about the greed of the Baloch nawabs and tribals and that it.. Nothing else, just greed.

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

why do you ignore the greed of Pak Army and rest of Pakistan, esp Punjab in taking the resources of Balochistan?

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

Point is local people aspire for having rights of resources coming from their lands and u call it greed........... landlordism is not the exclusive character of baluchistan.. u have waderas in sindh chudharys in punjab khans in NWFP so why single out balushistan and say since u have tribal chief who control alot so u guys won;t get to control ur own resources.. sounds like colonial treatment to say the least

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

I dont, I just dont think the Sardars should be pretedning to be the savior of their people when they are just as hypocritical as the rest of them… We give the sardars way to much credit by equating their beef with the govt with suffering of the Baloch people…

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

How does it work in India? Do the locals have sole control over resources that benefit the entire nation?

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

Yes state government has control over majority of resources falling into their boundary and kashmir has special rights it not only enjoys this general benefit it also enjoys one thing where a kashmir can go and live his her life buy land in any part of india whereas anyonefrom the rest of india can't do the same in kashmir.......a kashmriri can be a PM of india or Cm of any other state but no non-kashmir can be even the member of assembly in kashmir............not only that objects of basic needs like rice flour potato onion etc etc sells at 25% of the price in kashmir compared to the rest of india.......... so u see brother it's egalitarian society in general and overly overly egalitarian and sponsoring society in case of kashmir

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

^ Yeah. Kashmiris also have the right to be disappeared any given night in a Bharati army aqoobat-khana.
And now Assamese are also getting these rights.

All because Kashmir is majority Muslim and Assam 30%!
So much Hindu-Muslim bhai bhai slogan.

Bharati Muslims are following a mirage of getting equality in the eyes of Hindu banya, when they never can.

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

they already have equality through constitution and they know it very well.. due the right to be disappeareed is more rampant in pakistan and no nook or corner is safe even PM can disappear there over-night so let us not even go there..... rae vistims disappear there too.. head of state comes and suggests those poor victims to leave the country saying . khatoon ke jaan ko khatra hai

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

Ganguly Maharaj:

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they already have equality through constitution and they know it very well.
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Except that they know, and the world knows, that Bharati constitution is not applicable in Kashmir in the first place.

And who are you fooling by talking of equality to Muslims in Bharat? Wasn't it you yourself who was saying that Assam has problem only because it has 30% Muslim population? Isn't it what you think is the PROBLEM with Kashmir? Aren't you the one who still won't believe in the loyalty of common Bharati Muslim even when he abuses Pakistan to prove it?
All these examples tell us what you think of Muslims in general. How can you consider them an equal citizen of Bharat when you have doubts about their loyalty?

Bharati Muslims will always remain a fearful minority, trying to prove their loyalty one way or the other. And Bharati Hindu expectations will never be completed. The only way Bharati Muslims can really be a true citizen of Bharat-Mata is for them to give up Islam.

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

Oh Baboo Raam! Proof is in the pudding. If Quetta is the center of tourism, Sibbi is the destination of private businessmen hoards, we say the area is mighty secular. If this is not the case, then someone is trying to sell the Gidder Singhi.

p.s. If not for Pak army and police, Pushtoons in Baluchistan would have wiped out Hazaras just like what happened in Bamiyan. Even now, Shia Hazaras are the big time threatened specie.

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

So if one state decides to stop sharing its resources with neighboring states… Mind you this is a national resource, one that everyone is dependant on, what happens then? Does the federal govt have any right to force the state to open its resources..?
What if one province refuses to allow investment in such resources that could be vital for the entire nation? What does the Indian constitution stipulate?
If your saying that the resource sharing is negotiated between the State and federal govt then as far as I know even the Pak govt does the same thing… The Nawabs make millions of this deal…
And this has nothing to do with Kashmir, I know all about your so called privilages for those people, and frankly im not impressed.. Kindly stick to the topic.

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

PM can simply vanish in Pakistan? Who in Pakistan has disapreared? What are you talking about?

Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,

They can in fact sometimes they even do but there is supreme court for addresing these issues between state and federal govt.......... here is piece of gem the people who act like ruffianwhen outside establishment behave responsibly if given the responsibility so ur apprhesnison about baluchi tribal leaders going haywaire aside but once they are in the dock they will have no option but to behave responsibily... eveen hamas just after coming to power changed their official line about anihilation of israel..... responsibility does wonders.......

I know a pakistani will never be impressed and keep harping on bogey issue of fake persecution but fact remaisn india is sponsoring kashmir........if u have beef against army presence then another piece of info army wasn;t there before 90 when the terrorist went crazy then only army stationed itself there...anyway