Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
Army was always in kashmir!
WHo do you think controlled kashmir (such a prizely state bordering Pakistan).
You can say now kashmir has become a chokehold of indian army after nineties which would be true!
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
Well see you scuttled the issue.. If an Indian state decided to horde its resources at the expense of the rest of the country, particularly resources that are of such national importance, THE INDIAN SUPREME COURT WOULD GET INVOLVED!
If the Supreme Court says that the state must share, and the state still refuses then obvously the fedral govt must takes things into their own hands! This is the case in Balochistan! Pakistan definently needs to revam its system, but to allow full control of certain resources would simpy be suicide at this point.
So basically you dont understand the issue or your too biased to understand the how a nation is run.
As for the Kashmir, the only terrorists that ever enetered its borders were the Indian Army… And whatever uprising started there is your own responsibilty. You caused your own problems, s now sit in your mess and stop pointing fingers at us.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
p.s. If not for Pak army and police, Pushtoons in Baluchistan would have wiped out Hazaras just like what happened in Bamiyan. Even now, Shia Hazaras are the big time threatened specie.
You are wrong. On the contrary Punjabis have swarmed Baluchistan to convert the locals into a minority and Punjabize that province. The destruction of Bamyan Bhudhas occured through the active support of Punjab dominated establishment. Taliban were a project of that establishment.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
Absence of or reduction in religious extremism does not by itself mean secularism, does it? If it does, then that is insufficient. Secularism combined with tolerance of diversity - religious, racial, ethnic....is required for peace and progress.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
^ Lets not try to hide the deobandi religious pashtuns hatred for shia hazaras.. 
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
Balochistan - population by mother tongue
Balochi - 54.76%
Pashto - 29.64%
Sindhi - 5.58%
Punjabi - 2.52%
Seraiki - 2.42%
Urdu - 0.97%
Others - 4.11%
http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_mother_tongue.pdf
These figures do not include hundreds of thousands of mainly Pashto-speaking Afghan refugees, who would further bump up that ethnic group’s population, and dilute Balochi-majority.
Who has swarmed Balochistan to convert the locals into a minority and Pashtonize that province, is clearly evident from the actual facts, rather than racist lies.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
I think Pashtuns already outnumber balochis in quetta and northern balochistan. Pashtun numbers have increased much due to the afghan refugees' arrival (majority are pashtuns but the second largest group is tajik and you have hazarras coming to quetta too).
Overall, the majority status of balochs is going down and with newer influx of punjabis / sindhis etc, the province might end up becoming a metropolice like karachi!
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
Pashtuns refugees from Afghanistan have remained confined to Pashtun-inhabited areas of that province. They haven't moved into Baluch areas. Moreover, they have come as refugess not pluderors. And a lot have returned back to Afghanistan.
Pashtuns also are demanding the province should be divided into a Pashtun-inhabited and a Baluch-inhabited province.
These population census are manipulated and faulted.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
Pashtuns are already overwhelmingly Sunnis (almost 100%). Deobandism has taken birth in Hindustan and very much a Hindustani phenomenon later used by Pakistani military elite for political ends. Sectarianism is foreign to our society.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
^^ Why don't you give us your Bugti-approved statistics of 'Punjabi swarms' in Balochistan. Now you come here with the farcical theories of some establishment influencing gullible people to destroy statues in Afghanistan (and then begging the world to recognize them). The first time I heard about Taliban phenomenon was from Nasiurrullah Khan Baber (who has made his anti-establishment views known), the interior minister of Benazir administration. That country descended into chaos after communist invasion/withdrawl. Pakistan, Iran, Central Asian 'republics', even India was involved in the region for their own interests. Pakistani establishment (army, government) supported Pashtoons. Unfortunately, Talibans became the soldiers for them. I have never supported Taliban --not even when they were in their prime-- but I have known many Pashtoons who were/are die-hard supporters of that regime. The 'Top Mullahs' of JUI, JI and many others were strong supporters of such fasicst groups (Pakistani governments/establishment showed no better approach either). Look what happened in the elections after Taliban were crushed. The people voted in Mullahs in their provinces as a 'reaction' (although people love to spread establishment theories here too). We still have people entertaining 'guests', and ambushing the so called establishment forces. Heaping up all the blame on one group will get us nowhere.
So far as Balochistan is conerned, I have repeatedly said that the local people (Balooch, Pashtoon etc., not a bunch of warlords) must be empowered. They should be given control over their natural resources. However, the federal gov't can not be completely ignored in decision making in any country. The division of the province can open a Pandora's box, but all ethnicities living there should be treated fairly and allowed to prosper.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
I think you are right here. Probably there more more Pushtoons in Quetta and surrouding areas... Don't know about Tajik, hazaarras.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
^ Such blatant lies about refugee repatriation will end up with you loosing respect of all people (not just me), Ms. Dino! 
Pathans have come as far as karachi (afghans, bengalis, iranis) and you are saying they left nwfp and balochistan which they claim as theirs and think they are in their land just because abdali controlled that year for some time 2 centuries ago.. 
Seriously your “aqal” is 
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
I read about that in a refugee ethnic breakdown in Pakistan.
Tajiks are the biggest group after pathans in afghanistan and especially in the drought years (Taliban's time), a lot of city people left (mostly tajiks / dari speaking pashtuns).
Anyway, the tajiks are totally left out as they are "refugees" (who 'should' be repatriated) but we all know many have made their life in Pakistan and majority of them will never want to go back to Afghanistan!
There are more ethnic groups and languages than officially accepted (and I am talking more than just sindhi, balochi, punjabi, pashtu, urdu etc).
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
well i think he is mistaking the pakistani pm's with rajiv gandhi, and indra gandhi... :)
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
I don't know why stinky gujjus have to jump into topics that they know nothing of?
If they are able to do "things" with computers (and even there they have stinked up the whole field like they did with doctors in the eighties)
Can you write without personal insults? I guess not. Mods, who prolly agree with you don't say a boo.
Re: Baluchistan is the most secular province in pakistan:Sardar Sherbaz Khan Mazari,
^ expatobserver,
Mods’ monitoring can be done within human limitations only. What members relentlessly express inspite of being aware of forum rules and policy is after a certain point beyond anyone’s control and the forum management has nothing to with anyone’s personal views. Repetitive transgressors are systematically dealt with and as per need punished.
Best!
P.S. I’m sure all forum members will always realize these things during their daily course of forum use. :k: