Balochistan crisis & its resolution!

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Answer the question asked. No more emotional ethnic monologues please.

Yes, Baluchistan has been unfairly kept underdeveloped. Yes, Baluchistan has not had the same amount of resources or efforts spent as Karachi or Lahore. Yes, the Baluch youth has limited opportunities. Yet, the solution you propose is to further isolate the province instead of integrating. The solution is to start doing what should have been done years ago.

Instead of asking for reducing corruption, nepotism and unfair practices, you still insist on sending every non-baluch (or lynching them for good measure) back to their respective province and never let any non-baluchi in again.

Ingenious! Over and out.

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I did answered that Baluchistan is not Punjab’s burden, rather Baluchistan can take care of itself, as there are many Baluch unemployed graduates who could do the job.

As for being underdeveloped, I do not think that is the problem Balochs are thinking about (else they would not be fighting in Iran that has developed Baluchistan). What Balochs are concerned is their political, social, and administrative hold over Baluchistan and they fear losing that due to influx of settlers. That is resulting in killing of settlers.

Anyhow, I believe that with time if Baluchistan gets developed and there would be no shortage of jobs for Balochs in Baluchistan, then confidence of Balochs would increase and in that situation they might start accepting settlers in limited numbers (time will tell).

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^^^ What are you talking about? As long as state of Pakistan was paying Baloch Sardars for last 60 years they kept their people in checked. Now the state refuses, and rightly so, they are up in arms.

Btw, our Baloch problem is complex, but solution isn't to kick out everyone who isn't Baloch.

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When Musharraf took a stand against Baluchi Sardars (and rightly so in my opinion) the same posters were defending these actions. Now why accuse Punjab and tag Punjabis as the root of all evil. The problem of two/three Sardars who are not getting their bhattas is being over played by the media who need stories to feed the public every day.

People need be empowered and saved from the clutches of these Sardars just like India finished the monopolies of Nawabs in their country. State writ has to be established in Baluchistan and we need to audit the funds being spent in Baluchistan if the benefits are really reaching the poor people of this area.

The first step towards a solution in Baluchistan lies in disarming the personal armies of these Baluchi Sardars.. buying time against blackmailing will not result in any uplift of the province..

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^^ There are many people with Punjab derangement syndrome & its easier for them to blame others than to take responsibility for their own actions.

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There is a lot of propaganda going on.. Baluchistan hardly contributes anything to the revenues of the federal government. Presently apart from 17% contribution to the total gas being supplied in the country there is hardly any resource contribution. Sardars have hindered any industrial/business development in the province.

On the other hand Baluchistan is being given 64 cents per person per day from the federal government compared to 14 cents per person per day in Punjab. In addition to this Baluchistan gets all the food stuff and consumer goods from other parts of the country.

The main problem in Baluchistan is strictly economical.. solution is business development.. and biggest hindrance are the Sardars who hinder this business development. Nothing will happen in Baluchistan unless the private armies of these blackmailing Sardars are disarmed.

We need to bring Baluchistan in business development at par with other areas of the country. Agriculture has a large potential in Baluchistan if water wastage is stopped in other areas of the country and these resources are diverted to Baluchistan. China/India successfully brought backward areas in main stream due to economic development.

This is the only solution instead of bowing to blackmailers who are the main cause of the problem..

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If anyone would read posts with glasses on then they can read anything their heart desires. Anyhow, I did not write Punjabi settlers, I wrote settlers, people from outside Baluchistan be they from Sindh or Punjab, non-Balochs, etc. Thus, my mention of settlers was settlers from outside Baluchistan, be they Punjabis, Sindhis, Sarakis, Muhajirs, pakhtuns, or Balochs who are not from Baluchistan.

[Though, I mentioned that most government jobs held in Baluchistan is from people with Punjab background, and gave example of CJs of Baluchistan high court since 1971, that one can verify too].

Anyhow, at only one place I wrote that Baluchistan is not Punjab’s problem and that also in response to post where Punjab was mentioned specifically. Post was:

So, please read posts and judge someone after taking glasses of ethnicity off.

And yes, I was supporting the action of crushing Sardars and empowering ordinary Balochs. But, that was with intention to bring good for Balochs. That does not mean that one should support crushing Sardars at any cost. Presently, situation cannot be solved by crushing Sardars as there are many big powers that would like to see Baluchistan separated and are supporting Sardars. So, present strategy has to be to eradicate causes that give strength to Sardars, and settlers are one of the biggest obvious cause Sardars are using against Pakistan.

I also do not endorse that to solve problem Pakistan should encourage people from other parts of Pakistan to settle in Baluchistan so that Baluchs become minority in Baluchistan. That is not living with Baluchistan as brothers and equal partners in Pakistan, but it would be colonising Baluchistan. To me, Balochs are equal partners and stake holders in Pakistan, not subordinates or slaves.

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If people from other areas in the country settle in Baluchistan for business development it is good for Baluchistan. I don't want to indulge in this ethnic hate talk with you.. but the fact is our country can only survive if develop a nationalistic approach for the betterment of all the country instead of further dividing the people and instigating hate amongst them..

Baluchistan people need to be educated that their economic betterment lies in affiliation with Pakistan which is a fact. We need to conserve water in Punjab.. develop new water reservoirs and divert these water resources to uncultivated lands in Baluchistan and Sindh where we have the land/climate available for cultivation. We need to build infra structure in Baluchistan for better connectivity with other parts of the country just like China has done to instigate industrial development. We need to create an enabling business environment in Baluchistan where investors can feel safe. Just filling Baluchi minds with hate propaganda will not solve any of Baluchistan's problem..

The problems in Pakistan are arising because of too much regional devolution. Where in the world you have provinces regulating the drugs, energy, education etc etc. This approach has to reverse in our country and we have to think like one nation...

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What are the job opportunities available to Baluchi youth except joining a private army of a Sardar to collect bhatta from the government.. Is there any industrial development.. Is there any agricultural development... Can the government employ the entire population of Baluchistan??

I remember some industrial development started in Hub area some years ago due to close proximity with Karachi.. One fine day Mr. Akbar Bugti put all the industrialist coming back from their factories behind the bar on a weekend day... With this approach can you imagine any business/industrial development???

China and India have successfully integrated backward areas through business/economic development... and all the insurgencies have vanished. This is the only solution for Baluchistan problem also. You can negotiate with Sardars forever.. it will not solve anything in Baluchistan..!!!
They will just hype the propaganda like you are doing in your post to misguide their own unfortunate poor masses to keep their fiefdoms intact..!!

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In my posts, I only raised question regarding government jobs (administrative, policing, judiciary, academic, etc). You tell me, why most government jobs in Baluchistan, especially all top government jobs, are filled with settlers or people from outside Baluchistan, when there are enough qualified Balochs who could do those jobs?

As for starting Businesses in Baluchistan, then there is no argument. Actually, even Baluch Sardars do not mind that as can be seen by them tolerating Businesses in Hub (Karachi)... as Hub is in Baluchistan.

You are right that government cannot employ all Balochs, but face of government is people in government jobs and it is government jobs (administrative, policing, judiciary, academia, etc), especially top government jobs, that give impression to people that they are independent or colonised.

[Note: When British were ruling India they were only holding top government jobs, and that was enough for Indians to see them as occupier and themselves as occupied].

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I do not think Balochs (or Baluch Sardars) would mind if people would move to Baluchistan for businesses or jobs in private firms, if they keep their permanent address on ID card situated in their province, domicile of their province, and thus won’t have right to vote in Baluchistan, work in Baluchistan government, or take up education in Baluchistan professional colleges.

[From what I know, same is happening in Karachi, where many people work but have no voting rights as they keep their permanent addresses on their ID card and domicile of their provinces... maybe because domicile of Karachi is most disadvantage domicile. Such is affecting Karachi, because though Karachi might have ~20 million people (~11 percent of Pakistan population) and have to cater needs of ~20 million people (hospital, water, schools, electricity, transport, sewerages, etc), Karachi gets fund allocation for slightly over 10 million people and also ~7 percent of NA seats (instead of ~11 percent of NA seats). Unfortunate thing is that, funds allocation for many living in Karachi is taken up by provinces these people came to Karachi].

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^^ So you are not happy either way....

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^^^ Bhai, puri kahani kay baad aap poochtay hou Zulaikha kawn thee? :)

What it has to do with me happy or not happy. I am just mentioning the situation and solution I believe could solve the problem.

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^^ But the solution you are proposing is bigger problem in disguise??? isn't it???

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Any suggestion to further fragment our fractured society is no solution. we should all be talking of increasing the cake for everybody in a positive manner if we are really serious in finding solutions to our mainly economic problems. I have talked abut agricultural potential in Baluchistan.. industrialization of Baluchistan.. economic advancement of Baluchistan... I think these are the real solutions..

India and China have successfully controlled regional insurgencies purely by uplifting the backward areas economically. This is the only solution.. and any economic advancement will not take place in Baluchistan without solving the law and order situation created by these Sardars who maintain private armies to challenge the writ of the government. Without controlling these gangsters any economic advancement will remain a dream in Baluchistan. Even if they are granted independence and left alone to tackle their own problems.. these Sardars will fight each other with their armies to maintain their fiefdoms adding further to the miseries of the poor population of Baluchistan just like Afghan war lords..

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Word!
nothing else matters!!!

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The settlers have been settling in Balochistan for quite some time, and the main reason would be related to economics, and there is nothing new in that. This has happened every where in the world, there are many Baloch’s too who have settled throughout the country Baloch of Punjab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia including Punjab. Infact Punjab has the biggest Baloch population outide Balochistan. Anyways thats not the point when Pakistanis travel to other countries for better economic opportunities so why should a particular area of the country be out of bounds?

Having said that I dont think the issue has been handled properly at all by the government. The economy of Balochistan needs to be lifted, and more people from the province need to be trained and prepared for taking up jobs within the province. If the government is facing resistance from a few mischievious sardars, there are many other areas where the sardars are pro Pakistan, districts like Khuzdar and Turbat where there is no role of sardars per se, and then we have the pashtun areas; who is stopping the government from developing those areas.

The way Pakistani government has tried to ‘rid the Baloch’ from their bad sardars is not well thought as well. The way the operation has been carried out, it has started to alienate even the pro Pakistan elements there. Pakistani army is using gunship helicopters (Indians didnt use them even in the peak of Kashmir violence), and then instead of prosecuting the terrorists through judicial process the abduct cum kill and dump has not helped either.

The Baloch people are very simple and they only want respect/honour. But if you want to persecute (control them through force) then they have a very long history of fighting injustices (the Brits and now with our government for the fifth time).

Some times it does help to learn from the history and make the policies accordingly.

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I was doing my masters from NUST where I had a chance to study with two Baloch's who were professors at BUET Khuzdar, one of them was from Turbat and the other from Mastung. When Musharraf came to power they were very hopeful that the sense of deprivation of the province will go away, but somehow the situation of the province was deteriorated during his tenure to such an extent that now its not clear as to how for the time being we can go pre 1999 (in case of Balochistan).

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What I wrote above regarding restricting inter-provincial migration, then that is accordance with Pakistani constitution. Problem is in making law stricter, water proof, and clear of corruption, contacts, and illegal means.

Problem with Baluchistan is that, people use contacts or illegal means like bribes, lies, forgeries, and frauds to obtain Baluchistan NIC, then domicile, then PRC (Permanent residence certificate).

Advantage is big. For instance, easy admission in professional colleges and easy to obtain good government jobs for settlers (due to low merit requirements in Baluchistan or due to contacts, bribes, etc).

According to Pakistani constitution, keeping two domiciles is illegal, and no person can obtain domicile of another province easily. Actually, it is almost impossible to obtain domicile of another province (or area) legally. Requirement varies, but broadly speaking (from what I know):

A person should be living continuously in area (or province) for years.
A person’s NIC should have permanent address in province.
Father’s domicile was of the province.
Father’s NIC should also show permanent address in province.
A person was born in province or matriculated from province.
Etc.

[Advantage is such that a mediocre student with Baluchistan domicile (as long as he is from preferred province and not Baloch) may get good job in Baluchistan bureaucracy or admission in professional colleges (even in his home province on Baluchistan quota), but same person in home province would be unemployed and would not be able to get admitted in any respectable college].

Now, let see if restricting inter-provincial migration is wrong: Please do not avoid but answer question honestly explaining why (obviously, after reading the situation):

Population of India is so large (and poor) that with little incentive India can change Kashmir from Muslim majority to Hindu majority area. It would benefit India too, as after that they can ask UN for plebiscite and would win it on strength of new settlers. But, even though India considers ‘Jammu & Kashmir’ an integral part of India (unlike Pakistan where all provinces are confederating states), according to Indian constitution, no non-Kashmiri can buy property or land in Kashmir, get residency in Kashmir, or settle in Kashmir. Even a Kashmiri girl marrying outside Kashmir loses right to own property in Kashmir. Kashmir also has own constitution separate from Indian constitution, etc. [Same is true in India for some other areas with tribal population]

So ... what people here think?

A: Should India let Indians settle in Kashmir on pretext of development, integration, assimilation, or whatever... and in process make Kashmir a Hindu-majority state with help of settlers?

Or

B: India should keep present situation, backed by Indian constitution of not letting Indians settle in Kashmir, because we (Pakistanis) believe Kashmir should be exclusively for Kashmiris?

If the answer is 'B' then what about Baluchistan? What is the logic of those who believe that even though Kashmir should be exclusively for Kashmiris, Baluchistan should not be exclusively for Balochs as ‘Pappu’ from Pakistan wants to exploit Baluchistan at the expense of Balochs and make them minority in Baluchistan?

Note: Pakistan considers Kashmir as disputed territory but India do not, still India without any commitments or pressure is trying to maintain Kashmiri identity for Kashmir, even though that is politically a disadvantage for them ... and when it comes to Baluchistan, some people feel so bad when anyone says that Baluchistan should also hold its Baloch identity or Baloch majority in Baluchistan. Why?

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**Happy Birthday to Father of the Nation “Baba-e-Baloch”

Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri, also known as ‘Baba-e-Baloch’ or ‘Father of the Baloch Nation’, was born on February 29, 1929.**

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