I just came to know about Bahai faith and found striking resemblance with Ahmadi religion. I assume most peope here know about the later, here is some info about Bahai Faith.
Peace and Universal Brotherhood is message that is almost unanimously common among all religions and sects. Even those who advocate violence still do it in the name of peace. Though you can argue that the followers Ahmadis & Bahais emphasis on peace and brotherhood more so than other religions/sects.
The main differences between the Bahai & Ahmadis are that:
1. While Bahaullah is regarded by his followers is just another prophet like so many before, Ahmadis consider Mirza Sahib to be a specific prophet prophesied by AnHazrat (saw),
2. While the Bahais consider Quran as just another source of wisdom, Ahmadis believe it to be THE source and a complete & last revealed books.
3. While Bhai consider AnHazoor (saw) to be just another prophet Ahmadis consider him to be Khatam-ul-ambia or the greatest of all prophets
4. While Bahai consider their religion a new one, Ahmadis consider their to be the very same Islam that was presented by Hazrat Muhammad (saw)
5. While the Bahai consider Bahaullah to bring together all the major religions in the world, Ahmadis consider that Islam brought forth by AnHazoor (saw) 1400 years ago did that and Mirza Sahib (as) only revived it in it’s pure form as the servant & true follower of AnHazoor (saw).
Also, your observation about Ahmadis being rich is probably based on the Ahmadis you know. Ahmadis in many parts of Pakistan, India, Indonesia and especially Western Africa are very poor and others come from all parts of life. There is a drive in the community itself to be more educated and those who become part of the community get influenced and with their education come money as well.
While Bahaullah is regarded by his followers is just another prophet like so many before,** Ahmadis consider Mirza Sahib to be a specific prophet prophesied by AnHazrat (saw)**,
Lajjo, Isa (as) was born before so he could come after, to become the last but not actually the last, are all twists and turns. Its not the sunnah of the believers to procrastinate. They believe.
Anyway, we have discussed this like a gazillion times before and it will sure to close down a thread started in good effort. So, I suggest you wait for Isa (as) & if he shows up, let me know.
Strange Ahmadjee…The Mahdi came and died and I never realized…All the things he was supposed to do, which also were prophesied by the Holy Prophet :saw:, never came to fruition…
from what I know Bahai faith was not always a stand alone new faith, bahaUllah claimed to be the messiah as well and that what he was bringing was a continuation of islam. Much of it changed afterwards.
and of course ahmedis do not consider bahaullah to be legit, just like non ahmadi muslims do not consider mirza ghulam ahmed to be legit.
For Qadiyaanis to claim their Mirza Ghulam is a prophet, Isa and Mehdi, they HAVE to deny basic teachings of QURAN and Sunnah.
Hazrat Isa did not die and is suppose to come down near Jerusalem as he was taken up by Allah. As far as I know, Mirza Ghulam Qadiyaani never visited Jerusalem let alone claim to be Missiah/isa or three in one, so, Qadiyaanis end up denying those verses/hadiths as well and rely on fabrications in order to suppose their false argument or twist and turn the meaning of Quran in their favor. Like meaning of "last" is not last but since it doesn't say "the last." Totally illogical.
Mahdi is suppose to originate from Medina/Makkah and people will declare their loyality to him in Makkah, turns out Mirza Ghulam Qadiyaani never visited Makkah... so, Qadiyaanis end up denying those hadiths as well and rely on fabrications in order to suppose their false argument.
And lastly as I said above, "last" does not mean "last" unless Quran had said "the last" how far these people go to twist and turn the meaning of "last" in order to win support their fake prophet who died on a toilet in his own droppings. Prophets die, get killed in war or by the people but never that they die like this... in their own filth. PAYing people to become Qadiyaani is only way to spread Qadiyaanism. Just look at history and today, who supports Qadiyaanis? The Anti-Islamic forces... they finance them, finance their sat. channels and host their headquarters.
It’s strange they can believe that he was born from a virgin mother, they believe he raised the dead, cured the blind, healed the lepers but they won’t believe that Allah :swt: has the power to take him up physically…
Fraudia Bhaijaan, I tried to investigate that when I visited Chicago last time by conversing with the people at their temple. They denied any relation to Messiah or claim of it. Instead I got a lecture on the number 9. Anyway, I have even heard that he didn’t claim to be anything and later his followers made him all that.
Lajjo, I sure hope so because a lot of Muslims are looking for a savior and they will die frustrated. Some of the Jews are still looking for theirs and making all kinds of mischief in frustration.
edit: And Ahmadis do not believe he raised the dead as it is aganist quranic teachings, cured the blind and healed the lepers are something science can explain along with a virgin birth.
So, because everyone is looking for a savior that is your reason that we should believe a fake prophet? Why do you have to PAY people to convert them to Qadiyaanism?
Wow, now this is something new Ahmadjee…I never heard this one before…
So, anything that can be explained by science is accepted but anything that is not is to be rejected…
What about him speaking from the cradle, Ahmadjee? He was just a few hours old and it’s in the Quran…And raising of the dead is in the Quran…
Does Qadianiyat deny them both or are they acceptable?
And since when did Islam started looking to science for the verification and testament of the miracles from science?
What about the miracles of Ibrahim :as:? Moosa (as)? Yunus :as:? Yusuf (as)?
Do they meet current scientific standards?
And what about the virgin birth? Is that scientifically possible?
God damn Ahmadjee…
Can you please answer me these few questions? Trust me, you know me…I have refuted everything from Ahmadiyat and rejected your Mahdi and Prophet Mirza Sahib in clear and concise words…And yet you are witness that I have never ridiculed or insulted your faith…
But you have just amazed me with what you have written…And you believe that, over all that is in the Quran and Sunnah…
Forget everything…Just answer me these few questions I have asked, please…
well .. while bahai faith is a complete seperate faith in its own right the ir statements being that they are to islam just as christianity is to judaism, same roots, continuation etc but not a sect of islam. In the early days of bahai faith it was considered by many, muslims and bahais alike to be another sect of islam.
It is a fact that Bahai faith saysthat the bab and bahaullah both were manifestatiosn from god and that bahaullah was the promised messiah, teh mahdi,Twelfth Imam, Shah Bahram of Zoroastrianism etc.
That is an insult to a holy and mighty Prophet of God, Jesus Ibn Mary (pbuh) You are hurting the sentiments of Muslims who love and respect Prophet Jesus.
Please don't suggest your scummy false messiah is a rebirth of Christ, becuse Christ is far higher and more noble than your lieing false messiah. Christ hasn't passed away yet, God raised him to heaven when the Kuffaar wanted to crucify him and he is in one of the heavens and will return at the end of time when God wills him to descend.
Both founders belonged to rich and influential families.
Follower of both faiths are very rich
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are they really?... please provide us with the statics...To be honest bro.. I have got the opportunity to be in Qadian India, during the annual convention last year.. and believe me .... u cant even imagine how poor indian ahmadis are... people came there from all over the world( nepal, bangladesh, thailand, indonesia , africa ) they didnt even have the suitable clothing to wear on that cold days..do u really call them rich?..
and i never said there aint no rich ahmadis.. but u gotta see that they are rich not because they are ahmadi muslims....
same goes for sunni muslims..
and I have never ever seen that huge gathering in my whole entire life..
both founders belonged to rich families?.... provide evidence plez..
Why would that be an insult to Islam’s prophet? Isn’t it that many people believe shaitaan to be alive as well? What about people considering Khizr to be alive?
