Baghdad Seethes With Anger Toward U.S.

No more cheering crowds and flowers (not that that were many anyway)…this is how the “liberators” or rather occupation forces are now being viewed.

Baghdad Seethes With Anger Toward U.S.

At first they cheered, smiled, offered hearty thumbs-ups to the U.S. soldiers newly in their midst. But across Iraq’s lawless capital, that sentiment is evaporating as quickly as Saddam Hussein’s government melted away. Baghdad was bursting with anti-American feeling Saturday as residents saw their city being stripped by its own citizens while U.S. forces stood by, rarely intervening and in some cases even motioning treasure-laden men through checkpoints. Some still agreed with the United States’ assessment of itself as a liberator. In the middle-class Zayuna neighborhood, friendly people offered American Marines baths, bread and buoyant greetings - and asked for both autographs and help against looters. But for other Iraqis, in dozens of interviews conducted across Baghdad, the assessment was drastically different: America as conqueror. The coalition forces are responsible. Where is the law?'' said Safa Hussein Qasim, 44, a jeweler. This is the promise of the United States to Iraq? This is democracy in Baghdad?‘’ To walk the streets Saturday was to wade through a crazy-quilt blend of disarray and sadness, rage and jubilation and self-hatred. Though available booty was running low, looting continued apace, as did citizen resistance to it. One man carried a purloined tuba up the street. Baghdadis fretted and argued: What would become of their country? ``Saddam Hussein’s greatest crime is that he brought the American army to Iraq,‘’ said Gailan Ramiz, 62, helping a mob that was trying to tear down yet another Saddam statue at Shorji market, Baghdad’s biggest.

It is stories like Hassan Shrawa’s that are making them turn their backs on the uniformed Americans who swept in days ago. Shrawa, 30, an engineer from Baghdad’s Saddam City section, said he and his neighbors captured a Syrian mercenary and turned him over to U.S. troops Friday. As Shrawa tells it, the commander flatly refused to take custody of the man. ``What happens in the future?‘’ Shrawa mused. U.S. forces say they are doing the best they can under chaotic conditions - chaos, many Iraqis point out, that the United States itself created. Few praised Saddam. But at least, they said, he offered stability. Baghdad lacks that right now. Water, electricity and gasoline are pipe dreams, and food is becoming almost as scarce. Impromptu commerce is springing up on the sidewalks. One man made money stitching moccasins back together. At a nearby stall, another man dished out bowls of rice and beans from two steaming cauldrons. On the streets of Zayuna, curious children milled around Saturday, trying out English phrases and asking for Marines’ addresses. One presented Sgt. Paul Coughlin of Boston with a red flower that he nestled in his grenade pouch; another played marbles with medic Brent Cook, 23, of Houston.

Elsewhere, the Marines received less enthusiasm. In front of the Palestine Hotel, an area thick with U.S. Marines, several dozen Iraqis demanded a new government - now. We want peace,'' they chanted in English as Marines looked on from fighting vehicles. Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, at U.S. Central Command, says reports of looting in Iraq are overblown - that many parts of the country are peaceful, and lawlessness is already tapering off significantly.‘’ U.S. officials insist the restoration of law and order will become a higher priority. The State Department said Friday it was sending 26 police and judicial officers to Iraq, the first component of a team that will eventually number about 1,200. And on Saturday, the U.S. military and the Iraqi police said they’ve agreed to joint patrols to restore order - sooner rather than later,'' one Marine said. For Iraqis on the ground, such promises mean little until they're delivered. Residents, fearing looting would move on to private homes, set up neighborhood patrols to prevent it. One family put a girder across the street at the end of their block and stood by it with guns. They, too, denounced America. The United States breaks into the palaces and then threatens all the people who steal from them,‘’ said Efil Adnan, a 48-year-old oil engineer guarding the barricade with two of his sons and his brother. He held a pistol; the brother wielded a Kalashnikov.

The United States is a liar,'' Adnan said. They are not going to make anything better.‘’ His son, Forkan Efil, 13, wore a T-shirt that said Football'' and also carried a pistol. He said all his friends have guns now. I don’t like the Americans,‘’ the boy said, but this pistol is for the thieves.'' At the market, the dozens of men attempting to tear down the Saddam statue didn't have the oomph. The chain kept snapping, and finally they turned to Plan B - pouring gasoline over it and setting it ablaze. But in doing so, they made sure one important point was known - just because they revel in Saddam's ouster doesn't mean they're waving American flags. The army of America is like Genghis Khan,‘’ Fouad Abdullah Ahmed, 49, snapped as U.S. tanks rumbled by without stopping. America is not good and Saddam is not good. My people refused Saddam Hussein, and they will refuse the Americans.'' One young man went even further. If this continues in Baghdad, we’ll kill any American or British soldier,‘’ said Rahad Bahman Qasim, 30 and unemployed. For emphasis, he added this: ``All of us - even the women.‘’

I'm not suprised.

I saw there were demonstrations in Baghdad on Sunday where people were saying that the American's were more interested in protecting the oil fields, rather than do anyhting to stop the lawlesness and anarchy sweeping Iraq. No more cheers and flowers...:)

Did you also see where the US is working with local police to step up patrols and control looting? Did you really expect the US to be able to defeat the military one day and be the police force the next? Especially since they didn't have the tropps necessary because of Turkey's refusal. With the history of bribe-taking, torture, illegal detentions and summary executions by Saddam's police force in the past, it will not be easy to bring back order.

2000 Iraqis are now part of new Baghdad police force. Actually good to see the protests, something Iraqis could only dream of doing for the past 30 years.

I suggest you tell that to the Iraqi people, who just a few days into their “liberation” have wised upto the reasons why America illegally invaded and occupy their country. The reason being the following:-

Coalition Controls All Iraqi Oil Fields](Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More)

Yes, the very idea the US has not stopped decades of sectarian violence, changed the culture of an ancient society and policed every quadrant of every city 4 days after the fall of Baghdad is incomprehensible, isn't it?

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Yes, the very idea the US has not stopped decades of sectarian violence, changed the culture of an ancient society and policed every quadrant of every city 4 days after the fall of Baghdad is incomprehensible, isn't it?
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It goes well beyond that. Peter Arnett will probably state that our Post-War Plan failed as badly as our War Plan did.


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Yes, the very idea the US has not stopped decades of sectarian violence, changed the culture of an ancient society and policed every quadrant of every city 4 days after the fall of Baghdad is incomprehensible, isn't it?
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Whether it is 4 days or 4 years, the fact that Iraqi people's vision of USA has now changed from liberators to people that are aiding and abetting in the looting and ransacking. This impression comes from the fact that the US troops are just standing there and watching, whilst these things take place.

It's Iraqis doing the looting, not the Americans. But the US is no longer watching the looters, they are actively stopping them. It was a war situation when these IRAQIs looted and ransacked. It is incovceivable that the US would become a police force before defeating the military.

^ The damage has been done.

Well think again. The terrorists from America are equally involved in looting. Shame on them, but then they dont have much shame anyway.

**U.S. troops seize Iraqi trophies **](http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030414/80/dxp62.html)

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Staff Sergeant Nathan Braswell hopes a flag he found in a captured Iraqi base will earn him a tidy sum when he sells it on the Internet.

Like many fellow U.S. Marines, Braswell grabbed the trophy as American forces advanced on Baghdad. Unlike the souvenir-hunting majority, he doesn’t plan to keep it.

“I got the flag that was in the commanding general’s building. It’s very large. It’s in great condition,” said Braswell, 24, who picked up the Iraqi national colours on the eastern outskirts of the city.

“I’m going to put the flag on eBay,” he said, referring to the Internet auction sight where memorabilia from the toppled regime of Saddam Hussein are already in hot demand.

“Some collector would probably like it.”

Braswell said he would identify the grid reference of the installation where he found the flag to give an added touch of authenticity for war relic connoisseurs.

Other Marines lucky enough to stumble across caches of Iraqi bayonets are making a few bucks on the side selling them to troops who were not so quick off the mark.

One Marine was offering several combat knives to his comrades for $20 (12 pounds) each – although he kept his favourite one wedged in the webbing loops on his flak jacket as a memento.

Some say they plan to mount their souvenirs on the walls – making a kind of collage of items like knives or shoulder flashes found on military uniforms discarded by Iraqi troops.

“I’m going to make me a nice little plaque that’s got the dates I was here,” said Lance-Corporal Louis Blankenship, 21, taking a break in his armoured vehicle in a car park in the suburbs."

“I’ll put my dog tags on it,” he said.

MORTAR SIGHTS, SADDAM PORTRAITS

Many of the items might look rather bizarre on mantelpieces back home in America. Trophies claimed included the sights to a Soviet-built 120 mm mortar – that looks a bit like a piece of surveying equipment – and Iraqi gas masks.

“When you come home you have to show that you were there, You take some pictures,” said Corporal Alex Fala, 25. “Throughout the wars in the past, everybody has brought back something.”

Other homes may soon find themselves adorned with portraits of Saddam, combat helmets, military car license plates, canteen cups, uniform caps and pieces of webbing.

Tin cups taken from one air base have already found themselves in use by Marines boiling their morning coffee on camping stoves.

Anything bearing what Marines consider to resemble a Baath Party or Republican Guard insignia has added prestige.

Strictly speaking, Marines are banned from taking war trophies – but as long as they restrict themselves to picking up bits of discarded military kit, officers tend to turn a blind eye.

Some Marines daydream of finding an Iraqi colonel’s pistol, or even taking home an AK-47 rifle to hang above the fireplace, but the taking of firearms is controlled much more carefully.

“We get searched real well,” said Corporal Patrick Helmick, 23, a member of a military police unit in the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force.

“There’s no way you could get one back,” he said.

Many Marines eagerly joined in the free for all by trophy hunters at the odd military store captured along the way, but collecting the keepsakes of war is not everyone’s idea of fun.

“I’m not really into that,” said a Marine who rides an “Amtrack” armoured amphibious vehicle. “My war trophy is getting home and sitting on my couch.”

Isn’t that a turn up for the books? Then again that’s what iilegal invading and occupation armies do don’t they?

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Isn't that a turn up for the books? Then again that's what iilegal invading and occupation armies do don't they?
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Yes. Those kids want trophys. AK-47's I believe are illegal in the U.S. so they won't be bringing them home.

Anyway, even though they are American, they are still human. Surprized they didn't steal the gold faucetts in Saddam's Palaces....

Seriously. If they are caught looting they will be punished.

In WWII there were military people that stole some European Crown Jewels and were caught and punished.

IMHO looting is a human trait, not just an American trait. Not a trait really, just the inability to resist. Called greed I think.

it seems funny that the same "American infidels", (Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf) that were "...coming to surrender or be burned in their tanks" just a few short days ago could so quickly become: imperialist, colonialist, dictators, nazis, and now police.
was it really that long ago that Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Iraqi Minister of Information declared that "Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege."

"A noisy crowd of Iraqis gathered around Baghdad’s Palestine Hotel and raised anti-American slogans on Sunday, signaling that the popular mood in the besieged capital was fast turning against the US troops.

Fed up with the anarchy and looting as also the breakdown of essential services ever since the start of the war, the protestors yelled that the US troops were doing nothing to help restore normal life in the city."

I suppose that once the coalition troops start cracking down on the “looters” they’ll be called baby killers for shooting a teenager stealing a computer and refuseing to stop.

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I suppose that once the coalition troops start cracking down on the "looters" they'll be called baby killers for shooting a teenager stealing a computer and refuseing to stop.
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You are wise beyond what your 25 posts would indicate as you've already got this forum figured out. Were you a regular reader on gupshup?

** Baghdad was bursting with anti-American feeling Saturday as residents saw their city being stripped by its own citizens while U.S. forces stood by, rarely intervening and in some cases even motioning treasure-laden men through checkpoints." **

Treasure stolen and destroyed from museums... I doubt such treasure can ever be replaced....

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I suppose that once the coalition troops start cracking down on the "looters" they'll be called baby killers for shooting a teenager stealing a computer and refuseing to stop.
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The American invaders have already killed Iraqi babies and children. Remember when they gunned down a whole family at the checkpoint in the south?

Yes, do you remember that they ran through the check point ignoring warnings? Probably as a terrorist tactic to draw fire?