i’ll advise not post these things on such forums…mainstream Pakistani cultures are Urdu and Punjabi …Pashto doesn’t belong here…would be good on some Afghan forum…
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It was urdu that divded pakistan into two an its the punjabi narrow mind that I can very vividly see will harm the federation of Pakistan.Why punjabis never grow?
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First of all it is perfectly ok to post this topic here.
Secondly, ok urdu may be the mainstream pakistani culture. But where does this punjabi come from?
What makes punjabi different than some other regional language?
About pashto being posted on afghan forums: Pashto very much belongs here. Beat it!
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The punjabis like LastOfTheD are simply stupid dont waste your time on them shadan, even less than 10% pakistanis have urdu as mother tongue I have nothing against Urdu as Ghalib..Mir...Faiz..Faraz and other great poets have given radiance to urdu and by that it should be the language of dehli and lucknow thus india...how come pakistanis have claim over urdu?
Punjabi like Lost are not to be taken notice of they are a shame to their tribe just forget them my brother Shadan and enjoy your self.
Pushtu:
Da Rahman pa oukhko hasay rang pohaigam
Chay akhir ba pa tamam jahan wa shee
English translation:
I can predict this much from Rahman's tears;
That in the End he will be known worldwide.
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LastOfTheDinosaurs is not a Punjabi, he is very much a Pashtun, the fanatical ANP variety.
Yes South-Asian/Indian culture is the dominant culture in Pakistan because over 90% of Pakistanis belong to it, whilst Central-Asian/Iranian culture (Pashtuns and Balochis) barely make 10% of Pakistan’s entire population, they might have most of the land as part of their provinces but their population numbers are very insignificant. The fact that Punjabis and Mohajirs educate and better themselves and do service to their country might also have something to do with why they have more of a representation in the country, whilst Pashtuns and Balochis want everything handing to them on a plate whilst they themselves live with a narrow-minded medieval mindset and think themselves God’s gift to the world and look down on everyone else.
I know many will find what I say very bitter, but it's the truth, acknowledge it, if we're not going to see our own shortcoming there's no chance of improving our condition no matter how much we blame others.
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Shadan and Khayam, I am a Pashtun...yara Pukhtun yama...and my suggestion to you was in good spirit...It is a fact that Sindhi, Baluchi, Pashtun, and Siraikis, etc. are only peripheral cultures here...the cultures which get projection and acceptability in Pakistan or a Pakistani-related forum are only Urdu-Hindi and Punjabi cultures...Few people may be interested in Rahman Baba here...these things have more relevance on Afghan (Pashtun) forums because he belongs there..
Sahadan wrora, what you say is only a self-deception...
Please apologize to Punjabis brothers!
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Yes South-Asian/Indian culture is the dominant culture in Pakistan because over 90% of Pakistanis belong to it, whilst Central-Asian/Iranian culture (Pashtuns and Balochis) barely make 10% of Pakistan’s entire population, they might have most of the land as part of their provinces but their population numbers are very insignificant. The fact that Punjabis and Mohajirs educate and better themselves and do service to their country might also have something to do with why they have more of a representation in the country, whilst Pashtuns and Balochis want everything handing to them on a plate whilst they themselves live with a narrow-minded medieval mindset and think themselves God’s gift to the world and look down on everyone else.
I know many will find what I say very bitter, but it's the truth, acknowledge it, if we're not going to see our own shortcoming there's no chance of improving our condition no matter how much we blame others.
Have you been a recruit of Zial-ul-Haq or diciple of Muadudi or Ossama?
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Now this is the difference between people like you and people like me.
People like you think they should just follow watever wrong is being done by the majority. And people like me think we should just speak the truth, no matter how many people are with us.
Few people may be interested in Rahman Baba here...these things have more relevance on Afghan (Pashtun) forums because he belongs there.....
Even if I am the only one interested in Rahman Baba, it makes a case. There are pashtoons here ( pashtoons like me and perhaps not pashtoons like you) who very much want to read such articles here. So do u have any problem with that?
About its relevance on Afghan forums, YES! it does have relevance there too. Does it pain you?
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Yara Shadana wrora, tha kho assai khafa kaigai...My point was posting something which the majority on this forum doesn't have a taste for would be sort of imposition and, therefore, counter-productive...Anyhow, I am sorry to have suggested this.
P.S.: The only Pashtuns on this forum are Zakk, me, Khayam, SkyLop, and a girl, parissenor or something. Rest, if any, are only "Pathans".
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^^ lastofthedinosaurs, there are threads about pashtoons on the forum episodically...yesterday there were in cafe a thread about the beautifull exxotic city of Peshawar (exotic for non pashtoons :), so i don't think sharing pashtoon culture with fellow pakistani is imposition...
there are many others pashtoons on the forum (for example : golden scorpion, assweetas, black mamba, wran alak, salsa, cute sponge, lazy daisy, bizz) thanks for including me, kho zama zra pukhtoon day, za ne pukhtu yama ...
can you explain what is "merely pathans"??
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i think the fumes emitted from the meteor did some damage to the way you think.
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P.S.: The only Pashtuns on this forum are Zakk, me, Khayam, SkyLop, and a girl, parissenor or something. Rest, if any, are only "Pathans".
Bakhana ghwarama yara.
Ao taa kho za bilkul da pushtano da list na ovistam.
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parissenor, "Pathan" is a word people of India used to refer to Pashtuns. Pashtuns never use this word among themselves.
However, recently, in Pashto literature, it has acquired a political and cultural connotation. An increasing number of authors, in their writings on cultural and political matters, use it to refer to indiviuals, who, tend to be more Indians than Pashtuns. Those that have settled in non-Pashtun areas, especially Punjab, Sindh, Karachi, etc. and/or have adopted ways and language of the Subcontinent and only nominally retain their link to Pashtun Society, mostly only through ancestral relations, are now called "Pathans". Such people are considered sort of having gone astrayed and lost their identity.
In short, "Pathans" are those intermediate between a Subcontinental and Pashtun identity in the sense of culture and political consciousness but on the way to full assimilation in Subcontinental cultual, political, and ethnic mold. The term is even applied to those that have been raised within Pashtun Society but are now professing or preferring, **over their ancestral culture,** Subcontinental ways, mannerism, language, and political affiliation.
These authors are placing an absolute and uncompromising empasis on the political and cultural expression/assertion of identity. That is how the term has come to acquire a practical and academic significance.
And thank you for your courtesy and feelings of solidarity with us.
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Actually, we are sort of sandwiched between two cultures and civilizations; a Subcontinental Civilization of which the head language is Urdu-Hindi and affiliated languages are Punjabi, Sindhi, Siraiki, Hindku, Gujrati, etc.; and Persian Civilization of which the head language is Persian and affiliated languages are Dari, Tajaki, Zaza, Kurdi, even Baluchi, etc.
So when an Urdu-Hindi speaker listens to or reads a Punjabi song, he cannot only process the meduim i.e. the language but can also grasp, and enjoy, the content. There is one other factor involved here. The Subcontinental people have most of the things ( including values, social protocols, symbols, emotions, feelings, etc.) common in the super and substratum of their cultures. That is why they can understand, and also blend with, each other well. So is also the case with Persian people (Kurds, Tajiks, Hazaras, Farsis, etc.) that can communicate with each other using a common cultural meduim.
The problem is, that although Iranian, Pashtun and Pashto have gone a slightly different evolutionary course. Pashto is East Iranian. Other East Iranian people/groups like Wakhi, Yadgha, Shighni, etc. are so small or politically and administratively segregated from each other that a large geoup cannot be formed. Consequently, in the sense of culture, we are all alone between Subcontinent and Persian World. Our culture neither blends with that of the Subcontinent nor Persia. Both cannot understand us or have a taste for our folklore or classic.
This situation is the same as in earstwhile Soveit Union where Tajiks, being Persians, were all alone where other groups in Central Asia (like Uzbaks, Karghizs, Qazaqs, etc.), being Turks, could affiliate with each other.
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^Everyone has teh right to post whatever they want. Its upto you if you don't want to read.
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That is absolutely right! My apologies to Shadan and Khayam!
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Apology accepted!
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I really appreciate that you are a real great man lastOf TheD.
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P.S.: The only Pashtuns on this forum are Zakk, me, Khayam, SkyLop, and a girl, parissenor or something. Rest, if any, are only "Pathans".
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Paris is not a pathan if you know from her name.. ;)
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:Di wrote it in pashto in this thread:clown:…i guess you’re not pashtoon :Dbut if those who don’t know my european origins think i’m pashtoon, i guess it’s cause something inside my brain and heart is pashtoon:flower1: