Brother bg,
You are not getting the point. ** Calling anyone Son of God or Holy Spirit is Shirk and it is THE WORST SIN POSSIBLE. But acknowledging the miracle power given to Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) is an accepted and common aqeedah of all muslimeens including ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat. **
In my previous post I even gave u examples of Miracles by Prophet (s.a.w). Prophet (s.a.w) was noori and NOT like us. Another proof is that :
** There was no "Saya (shadow)" of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) (ref: Bokhari shareef). Dont all normal human beings have Saya?**
Wassalam
Muslim786
Dear fellers...
Islam and Sub-Continent
Keep in mind that people around the world have distinguished customs. And although, Muslims do not come under this rule, still Muslims around the world have adopted to the regional customs as well. So as long as these customs do not interfere with any Islamic Guidelines, there is nothing that says we should not do it. And all this applies to the sub-continent.
Sectarianism
Please stop spreading sectarianism in this forum (and everywhere else), shiaism or sunism can wait to solve their differences (peacefully) until the Worldwide role of Islam is restored to its past glory. And although I do not follow the wahabi code, I think we are better off dealing with the most evil ones first (which I suppose the wahabis are not) and we should always stick together to fight off viruses like hindus, jews and especially the imposterous qadianees... whose only vaccine (yet) is a stregthened and reinforced Islamic World.
To the Javaan of disinformation & his wahabi dudes
U know what, I've already read (and heard) those "dalails" of ur a thousand and fifty eight times already... and I'm really sick of these...bGet this,** the non-believers have even more realistic ones if you wanna go with them... But, as above, I don't wanna pick a fight with you guys... not that I can't (I also have A LOT OF proofs in favour of my sect), but that I think dealing with the jews, hindus, and ahmadees SHOULD be our first concentration...
To Muslim786
UBB does not work with the subject!
bye4now,
Hayder (another shia 'extremist')
Brother Muslim
Miracles accepted but those we the powers of Allah S.W.T. All Prophets have the Miracles but that is the powers given to them by Allah S.W.T.
Allah S.W.T. only has these Supereme Powers.
Mohammad S.A.W. beeing human I will bring some references whenever time permits.
bg,
Thats exactly what I am trying to explain. Allah has the supreme power but as Allah says in Quran and I translate "I was a hidden treasure, I wanted to be recognized", therefore he sent Prophet (s.a.w) to this world to show his Jalwa (light) to us.
If u still are not convinced then I cant help it. I can only pray that May Allah guide you to the right path and save u from the fitna of Wahabis.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
and Pakistani 99 stop pretending to be a shia because u are not one.
Muslim786
Muslim786,
Well my brother,
My real name is Haydur Aley Agha,
and I live in Lahore...
If you don't believe that I am a shia, u can come to Bab-ul-Hawaij (Mochi Gate), which is a famous Imam Bargha with the Zari-Mubarik of Hazrat Imam Musa-Kazim (A.S), and ask anyone about me...
(I'm even making a website for them...)
So, let's stop arguing, and the non-believers...
[This message has been edited by pakistan99 (edited August 29, 2000).]
ok Hyder. Well, I dont like secterianism but it is the moral and ethical obligation of Muslims to unwrap the fitna of Wahabis. I understand your concern about Ittehad-e-bain-ul-muslimeen and thats a good one. May Allah help u with that.
I agree that we should try to eliminate minor differences. Though I am ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat follower but I have a bunch of shia, hanbali, sufi friends and We all eat, talk and spent time together.
Wassalam,
Muslim786.
Salaam brothers & sisters,
Pls Follow this debate and do let us know your feedbacks:
Didn’t Allah put his Noor into Hazrat Adam and asked Iblees to bow before him which Iblees refused because Iblees thought Adam was of clay and inferior to Iblees! Iblees would have been bowing to the Noor of Allah that was in Adam and not the clay-made body.
There is a similarity here: Wahabis treat our Prophet (saw) in the same way as Iblees treated Adam.
The same Noor was passed on to Hazrat Ibrahim and downwards to our Rasul illahi. That is why the geneolgy of the Quraish is so important. And that is why we give thousand salutations to the Household of Muhammed(saw).
To learn more about Noor-e-Allah please visit:
http://www.sunnah.org/salafipub/noor.html
You’ll mote that the Wahabis/Salafis, Deobandis/Tableegi Jamaat are attacking this concept and reject that the Holy Prophet Mohammed was created from the Light of Allah.
bg,
You say:
"Prophet Mohammad S.A.W. was the Ramat Ul Alameen, Mehboob e Allahi, there will not no human like him will born again.
Mohammed S.A.W. karishma was the power of Allah S.W.T. Like Jesus used to bring the dead to life, that was not Jesus powers that was Allah S.W.T. powers which make this happen, Jesus was curing the blinds, that too was Allah S.W.T. power. "
bg,
Jesus did all that By The Leave of Allah or By His Permission. It is the Noor that is special, the body is that of ordinary human.
Anyways, check out what you state above with the treatment meted out to our prophet(saw) by your wahabis:
Please note the following is a quote word for word:
This is how the wahabis treat our prophet (saw):
- It is forbidden in the religion of Wahhabism to stand in front of the Prophet’s shrine with an attitude of respect to say salat and salam as your grandfathers used to do.
- You must not stand in front of the shrine, but walk away and say only, 'As-salamu ‘ala Muhammad,’ while passing by.
- According to the ijtihad of our imam Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab, this much respect is sufficient for the Prophet.
BG - Pls tell me how does this treatment compare with what you state.
Thanks for the support Yaar...
Good post Abdul Malick. It sure gives a true picture.
Bg,
Read Abdul Malick's post regarding "Noor" of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w).
Muslim786
Salam brothers and sisters,
*note * Readers should check my conversation with Jawan in the section "Are wahabis enemies of Islam". Jawan is a liar . the last few posts in that section are a witness to his tuhmat (wrong blames ) on me. Astaghfirallah **
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Brothers Abdulmalick, Muslim
quote
Didn't Allah put his Noor into Hazrat Adam and asked Iblees to bow before him which Iblees refused because Iblees thought Adam was of clay and inferior to Iblees! Iblees would have been bowing to the Noor of Allah that was in Adam and not the clay-made body.
So this means we all are Noor and so was Prophet Mohammad S.A.W. According to this it makes Prophet Mohammad S.A.W. like all the other humans. Thats what I am saying.
Brothers Abdulmalick, Muslim
You have answered the question yourself.
"Didn't Allah put his Noor into Hazrat Adam and asked Iblees to bow before him which Iblees refused because Iblees thought Adam was of clay and inferior to Iblees! Iblees would have been bowing to the Noor of Allah that was in Adam and not the clay-made body."
This means that we all are Noor and so was Prophet Mohammad S.A.W. This did no make Prophet Mohammad S.A.W. just human like us.
bg,
We don't have Noor! It's the soul you're referring to!
You still have some cleaing up to do on the Religious Authority as well!
I think 'bg' needs some lessons in English Terminologies!
Originally posted by Muslim786
Allah has the supreme power but as Allah says in Quran and I translate "I was a hidden treasure, I wanted to be recognized", therefore he sent Prophet (s.a.w) to this world to show his Jalwa (light) to us<<
in an eralier post he claimed
I have studied Ilm-fiqah and Ilm-falsafa (philosophy) at Jama-al-azhar for 18 years and I am 50 years old now and A Hafiz.<<
Muslim786 can you provide the refrence in the Qur'an for the above alleged verse you have mentioned. I'll make it easy for you. There is no such verse. What you have mentioned is part of a weak hadith.
Tell me, is this expected from someone who has studied at Al-Azhar for 18 years and has memorized the Qur'an. Either you are completeley ignorant or a complete LIAR.
The fact is that you are faceup using another alias. Other aliases which I am currently aware of, used by this jahil ignorant faceup are logical & abdulmalick, who believed that ibn Taimiyyah lived 200 hundred years ago. He then after reading the literature of the grave worshippers realized that he was actually confusing him with Shaikh-ul-Islaam Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab the great scholar and reviver of the sunnah, destroyer of bida'h.
This Muslim786 claims to be sunni but is clearly lying against Allah. Lying against the wahabbis is one thing, but directly lying against Allah is beyond all bounds. Have you no shame whatsoever.
and Allah says in the Qur'an:
"Shall I inform you on whom the devils decend. They descend on every great liar and sinner" (26:221-223)
salafi,
stop yelling. u guys need to learn some manners. go to hell with your abdul wahab. Insha-Allah.
Labbaik ya-rasool-allah (s.aw)
Muslim786
Salam all muslim brothers and sisters,
Jawan u have an attitude problem. U need to grow up and talk like adults. This a very important topic that Faceup has brought up. Unfortunately, the Talibans are influencing the innocent and illeterate people of Pakistan now. The young generation of Ahle-sunnah wal-jammat needs to be careful about it. The talibans/wahabis never say that they are taking u away from Islam. They are very sharp therefore they slowly slowly poison the innocent minds of Ahle-sunnah youth. May Allah save all muslimeens from the fitna of Wahabis.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Muslim786 you are finised i call upon you to come to islam and FOLLOW QURAN AND ONLY QURAN AND SUNNAH OF MOHAMMAD and leave the religion of your ancestors and hindus rituals
Muslim786 you are finised i call upon you to come to islam and FOLLOW QURAN AND ONLY QURAN AND SUNNAH OF MOHAMMAD and leave the religion of your ancestors and hindus rituals
Muslim786 you are finised i call upon you to come to islam and FOLLOW QURAN AND ONLY QURAN AND SUNNAH OF MOHAMMAD and leave the religion of your ancestors and hindus rituals
I have done my job…trying to persuade you that real islam is QURAN and ONLY QURAN and SUNNAH of mohammad(pbuh) and leave your religion of your ancestors and hindu rituals…and stop creating new things in islam…creatiing new things in islam is bidd’ah and every bid’ah is dalala and every dalala is going to hell.
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Good LUCK in hell.
Jaawan
till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid
Wise Man says:>What I say won’t really change anything, but what you say doesn’t really matter!
Muslim786,
you're the one doing the yelling by repeating the same crap over and over again like a parrot while you've failed to respond to any of the questions of Jawaan with regards you heresies based upon dreams and fairy-tales.
You're the one who is lying against Allah. Didn't think you'll get caught out. And you claim to be a scholar. How jahil & ignorant you are. By lying against Allah, you have gone to the lowest of the low a human being can go to and have made your self a partner with the accursed Iblees. Shame on you. Shame on you again.