[b] Wahabi Fitna[/b]

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Salam brothers and sisters again,
I see alot of more nonsense here from “Salafi” and “Jawan”. Salafi my advice to u is to go ahead and read some ahadith that emphasize the importance of “Hijab while speaking/writing”. The words u use (e.g: Moron) and Jawan used (e.g: Idiot) are totally against Islamic teachings. May be they are allowed in Your Wahabi Teachings.

Well, for readers here is my previous post regarding “Truth about Wahabis”. Quoting:

"Dear Fellow Muslims, it is so painful to see us fighting here. I really hope that we try to eliminate the differences. Every human is different and therefore we all may have differences. What really worries me is the OVEREXCITEMENT and FANATIC nature of words used here in this forum. This is the very first thing our religion teaches us “To respect others”.
The irony of fact is that Wahabism has NOT ONLY DIVIDED MUSLIMS but it has unfortunately also divided the ahle-sunnah wal-jamaa( followers of sunnah).
The wahabi fitna was created by the British Empire. The main objectives of kuffars (britishers) behind it were:
*To destroy the unity of Muslim Ummah
*To destroy the Khilafat-e-Usmania
*To have Sheikhs of their choice deputed in Gulf
*To have easy and free access to oil and gas
*To know the weaknesses of Muslims
For this purpose the deputed two people namely:
*ABDUL WAHAB to create religious misunderstandings mainly between Hanafis, Hanbalis and Malikis (All three are the taleeds of ahle-sunnah wal-jamaa).
and
*ABDUL AZIZ (A relative of Saud from Najd)to control the Saudi Government and so that the West can have easy access to oil and gas. Abdul Aziz had several legal and illegal wives and his sons are more than 100. Thats why every Saudi King has the name “bin abdul-aziz” after his name meaning the son of abdul-aziz.

“I am a witness to some of these conspiracies because I am 50 years old”.

The link below is an eye-opener regarding the destruction of Jannat-ul-Baqi by Saudis(wahabis ). The place had graves of Prophet’s (s.a.w) Sahabas (r.a) and Prophet’s family (r.a).
http://www.al-islam.org/shrines/baqi.htm

The Britishers succeeded in their plans and a witness is now we are divided and they have access to oil and gas.

May Allah have mercy on us and keep us united May Allah gives us enough wisdom to understand the terrible web of Wahabis against Islam. Aámeen"

**Also in the end a note of good words for my brothers trying to unwrap the Wahabi fitna. Thanks for the input AbdulMalick, Face up, and Logical. May Allah bless u all in the sadqa of Prophet (s.a.w) and his family (r.a).

Wassalam,
Muslim786

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Simple and easy. Follow the Holy Quran and Sunnah. This is Islam.

Why you insists to call true Muslims Wahabis.

Rest of the stuff which most of you practice is the traditions adpoted from Hinduism. Qawali is what Hundus have their religious songs, Praying on graves is just like worshiping the stones like Hindus, going to Pirs to get your problems solved is shirk, Dahmal on Mazars is like Hindus have their dances in mandirs, Manat on Mazars is what Hindus practice. This is not Islam.

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Bg,
It is not a hindu tradition. Go ask your elders how Islam came to the subcontinent. It was through these aulias and sufis that thousands and thousands of Hindus and Sikhs got converted. I have atleast 5 very close friends whose ancestors converted to Islam during late eighteenth century. Their names:
Asim Khan (working here in Saudia)
Misbah Kareem (in India UP)
Javed Ahsan (also working in Saudia)
Khalid Ahsan (Javed's brother)
Farrukh Ahmed (in Uk, double doctrate).
Here is the key:
Islam DID NOT spread by the use of sword. Islam's asset had been and is Husn-e-Ikhlaq (good behavior) and Wahabis are miles away from that kind behavior. Wahabis believe that if somebody disagrees with them, they just want to kill that person. This is NOT Islam, this is totally against the teachings of our dear Prophet (s.a.w).
May Allah guide you.
Wassalam,
Muslim786

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Brother Muslim

This is not true that we true Muslims kill someone who don't disagree with us. We true muslims have tolerance and respect for all who are ignorant.

Aulias - Those guys which you call them Aulias and big Pirs were muslims. Its right that they spread the Islam in India. They are dead now you cannot worship their graves. You cannot pray on their graves to solve your problems.

These Aulias of yours also introduced things such as Qawali to attract hindus which is not Islamic.

I dont believe in these Aulias or Pirs, I am follower of Mohammed S.A.W.

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Salam brother bg,
I am not here to argue with you because u may be my grandkid's age. I have studied Ilm-fiqah and Ilm-falsafa (philosophy) at Jama-al-azhar for 18 years and I am 50 years old now and A Hafiz.
I totally understand that u may not be extremist wahabi but it is a very dangerous web and they NEVER tell u that u are going away from Islam and coming close to Wahabism. All they do is exploit your religious feelings and misuse them.
I have evidence that Wahabis get paid by the Saudi Govt and other wahabis around the world. I used to be in the management of Jama-Masjid siddique-akbar and I have relatives who are still in the management and though my relatives cant say anything because the weirdos of Sipah Sahaba and Taliban will kill them if they say anything but yes they have evidence that Jama-masjid siddique -akbar, Jama-masjid binnori town, Jama-masjid ahsan-ul-uloom and several others that used to be a place of worship have now all become training fields for the weirdos of Sipah Sahaba/ Salafi/ Wahabis/ Talibans..These wahabis are destroying the young generation of Ahle-sunnat wal-jamaat. May Allah destroy wahabis. Aámeen
Labbaik Ya- Rasool-Allah (s.a.w)
Muslim786

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You soo called sunnah waljaama do these 11 things that are NOT part of islam. Could you tell all of why and who told you to do those things and add or make part of islam??? you are NO where near the dust on prophet mohammads(pbh) shoe and you go on creating new shit in islam??? thats is kufrr.
Explain these from quran or hadith.

People of sub-continent do some things, which are NOT part of quran or sunnah. Those were NEVER done by prophet(pbh) or his campanions(suhaba or tabieen or taba-tabieeens). Here is some of the list done by most people(muslims) in South Asia.

  1. Bowing/giving sajjdaa to graves.
  2. Giving out Giiyaarween sharifs. (Celebrating something on every 11th of some month)
  3. Building Daar’baars and holding them as worship places.
  4. Celebrating EID milad-un-nabi. ( i thought we had only 2 EIDs.) <where did this come from???
  5. Marriages> Most of the stuff is taken from hindu religion. Jaaheaiz problems. Doing all sort of things which are NOT and never were part of islam.
  6. Calling or saying something like " asaalawat to aslaamu aleikaa, yaaraasul-allah – wa-saalmm alekaa yaa habib allah" BEFORE and AFTER saying azzaaann. (call to prayer) Where did that come from??? ITS NOT IN HADITH OR QURAN? sure those are good words, but who told you to put in in front and after azzaan? Thats a big sin.
  7. Going to some dead peers and noble men to ask for birth of child and other worldly things. ( daat-taa darrbaar and there are others in south asia as well.) BTW on Daat-taaa darbaar… It says very clearly bowing down to ANTHING other than allah and kabaa is haram… but ignorent people still do it <they actually bow(saajddaa) to that grave ). I my self have seen people kissing and ornamenting and bowing down to some old mans grave in my village when i was young. DO YOU CALL THAT TRUE ISLAM? DO YOU STILL CALL YOUR SELF FOLLOWERS OF REAL SUNNAH AND QURAN? ARE THINGS MENTIONED ABOVE MENTIONED IN QURAN OR HADITH AS WELL???
  8. Giving out khaatam sharifs - what ever that is.
  9. Saying that mohammad(pbh) knows the gaaib( the unseen) Saying that he has knowledge that only Allah has.
  10. Making up SHIRKAANA “naahtts” about mohammad and other campanions and regarding them as MORE than Allah. (astaqfirullah) Here is an example of such insane and ignorent stupid act. understood that author or speaker is trying to show his or her love towards Mohammad(PBH) but degrading the true level of mohammad and putting him OVER allah is just too much shirk. ]

“Shaafee O Nafee ho tum; Kafee O waafee ho tum”
“dard ko kardo dawaa tum pe karoroN duruud”

“(You are sufficient, enough; adequate and abundant for us.)”
“(Yaa Rasulallah, please heal my pain; give remedy for my affliction a billion Salawat on thee)”

  1. Going on daarbaars(graves) and putting on fire, and music and bahangraa and dating when you people hold melas there. Where did this come from? ITS NOT IN HADITH OR QURAN. who said you can do that on graves? in cemetary? in kabar-estaan?

Above mentioned things WE DO NOT do. but YOU DO them and thats why you dont like us because we stop and ask you NOT to do those. THose 11 things are NOT part of islam they never will be. Who ever made them part of islam is a kafir and total idiot. <yes that includes you ancesters.

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Jaawan

till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid

Wise Man says:>What I say won’t really change anything, but what you say doesn’t really matter!

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As-salaamu 'Alaikum to the believers,

All Praise is to Allah, the Lord of the Universe, He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

Muslim786, as i quote:
"It is not a hindu tradition. Go ask your elders how Islam came to the subcontinent. It was through these aulias and sufis that thousands and thousands of Hindus and Sikhs got converted."

You are saying they are very holy and what they say and did you blindly follow. They brought qawwali, worshipping graves, this is great bid'ah, every bid'ah (innovation) is astray, what is astray is in hell-fire.

The answer is we do not in the kalma mention your pirs and your aulias. We say Muhammad ar-Rasul Allah. So what he has said, we follow. Why will you not accept praying to graves, etc. is great bid'ah. How can you dare to associate someone with Allah when you worship. This is great Shirk. Shirk is a sin Allah SWT hates most of all, and does not forgive. This is not to say, if one asks for forgiveness and never does this heinous sin again he will not be forgiven, Indeed, Allah SWT is the Most Merciful.

Sipah-e-Sahaba is a great group, which is working to make sure the names of the 4 Khalifas as well is great, and not disgraced. If it is, punishment is Death. Indeed that should be. I will not go in details about Sipah-e-Sahaba here, but if you will like I will tell you later, you indeed do not have information to even judge them.

As for Taliban, you must follow the news of the Kuffar sources. Taliban follows strictly in regard with the Qur'an and the Sunnah, it follows from the school of teaching of the Imam Abu Hanifa, and its based by the teachings of the Deoband Scholars. They follow exactly in accordance of the Shari'ah. Those against them are those who love the things of this dunya more. They are those who cannot stand to be ruled by Islamic Shari'ah. Let me tell you one thing. TRUTH HAS COME, FALSEHOOD HAS VANISHED. FALSEHOOD BY NATURE, IS A VANISHING THING.

Subhan'Allah.

Wa salaam 'alaikum,
-Zakariyyah

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Jawan, Do u get paid in Riyals or dollars? Well, its the same thing because Saudis kiss the American feet and Ask for help from America when Iraq attacks them. When Iraq attacked the wahabis of Kuwait and Saudia Arabia, those Wahabis went running towards America and asked for help saying "Ya-America madad". The wahabi hypocracy and double-standard can be seen here when they do not allow us to say "ya-rasool-allah (s.a.w) madad" but they can say "Ya-America madad". What kinda double-standard policy of Wahabis is that?
Muslim786.

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brother muslim 786

Let's put jawaan on "ignore" - this juvenille delinquent! For him 2+2 = 5 ! He will never see the light!

His main job is to create Diversion & Noise; these wahabis have a herd mentality. Let's hope like a runaway herd they will jump off a cliff!

BTW, thank you very much for the kind words. Ameen! May Allah's rehmat be with you, always!

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So now Jawan has changed the name of Zakarriah-almadinah. Good name Jawan.

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Thanx brother AbdulMalick. May Allah bless u in the sadqa of its beloved Prophet (s.aw).
May you prosper in every aspect of life. Let me know, if I can be of any help for u in religious matters though I am a talib-e-ilm myself. Jazak-Allah khair
Muslim786

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Salam dear brothers & sisters in Islam,

To Zakkariah,

Why did you disappear last time after posting anti-shia propaganda?

I am glad that you can recite the prophet's name with respect but that is a sham just like your creed is a sham!

1) But tell me what is prophet(saw) to the wahabis? The wahabis call the prophet a 'mere ordinary man' whose duty was to deliver the message. They forbid the muslims to even ask for the Prophet's blessings!

Tell us how do the wahabis see the Prophet (saw)? What does the Prophet (saw) mean to the wahabis?

2) Who is your Religious Authority in Islam? We have Caliph & Imams. Do wahabis believe in Religious Authority?

3) With whose Authority do you - a wahabi talk to the faithfuls about "Bida'h"? Who is a HERETIC to call the 4 sunni madhabs the greatest bida'h?

4) We have answered the "bowing to the grave question' more than several` times.
Tell me - Is the kalima, with alllegiance to Prophet, make it a shirk? We do associate the Prophet's name along with Allah in the Kalima. Is the Kalima then SHIRK?

4)Then accordingly if the hadiths cannot be corroborated/verified with the Quran would make the hadiths - Bida't ! Tell me Are the Hadiths a bida't?

5) Back to the question about Religious Authority in Islam as ordained by the Quran. With whose Authority did the wahabis destroy the tombs & properties of the Prophet's (saw) household?

6) With whose Authority do they call the 4 sunni Imams "ENEMIES OF ISLAM"?

7) With whose Authority do they condem the Ahl as sunnah with destruction and say they - the Ahl As Sunnah can be killed ?

8) With whose Authority do you claim to follow quran & sunnah when all you follow is the hadith of Imam Hanbali and your teachings are based on heresy of abdul wahab?

9) Tell me With whose Authority do you decline that the Prophet (saw) had the Light of Allah? Do the wahabis believe in Noor -e- Muhammadi?

Tell me what is the meaning of Religious Authority in the Quran for you wahabis?

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Dear brothers & sisters,

Will the wahabis answer these questions about 'Religious Authority' - the heart & soul of Islam; or will they again give us the same song & dance about all non-wahabis being 'grave worshippers.

To Abu Somaha,
I have requested under the thread: For the so called friends of Islam - the Ignorant ones, that you to answer the questions raised above in the best of adab and akhlaaq in speech and action ! Tell us who the Religious Authority for the Wahabis is?

This question is the heart & soul of Islam. All sunnis, shia & sufis believe in the Quranically ordained position of the 'Religious Authority' which is Caliph or Imam!

I thank you and please stick around and respond using one nick so we know what you are all about. We have a pretty good idea what LittleBoy, Zakariah, Purana_Zamana, etc are all about!

I thank you!

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Readers should take note the questions that abdul malick continue to put forward and may i add the following:

Religious Authority is the cornerstone of Islam which continued as: caliph, imam and qutub after the prohethood of Muhammed Rasoolillah(saw)!

Readers should note that the wahabis movement was created 200 years ago; a saudi king ibn saud - the head of the wahabiyya creed, was brought before the Caliph in Istanbul - the Religious Authority of Islam. The wahabiyya chief was given the chance to do TAWBAH for his fitna and reject his wahabiyya fitna OR,

DO TAWBAH, ACCEPT ISLAM OR DIE!

The wahabiyya king would not submit to Allah and ask for His mercy & forgiveness! He was denounced as 'Kafir' by the Caliph and the sunni ulemas from 4 sunni taqleeds.

The Wahabiyya king was publicly beheaded! He was refused to be burried in a muslim cemetary.

Bottom line - the wahabis cannot claim that their Religious Authority is the Caliph because the last Caliph of Islam decreed the wahabiyya king 'kafir' and had him beheaded and refused him to be burried in a muslim cemetary!

Wake Up Muslims!

[This message has been edited by faceup (edited August 29, 2000).]

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Faceup

Brother there is nothing religious about the Caliphs in Islam. They were the political head of States nothing to do with Islamic principles.

Qutabs, Aulias, Imams, Pirs, why you need them? Are our beloved Prophet Mohammad S.A.W. teachings are not enought or are not complete way of Life? Why do you need all these people for? You can call the present head of so called Islamic States Caliphs. What difference it makes?

Please brothers correct yourself according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

May Allah Guide you all to the right path.
Ameen

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bg

So you're saying the wahabis do not believe in the Khilaphate!

Here's what was posted by logitech in the thread: WHAT IS KHILAFA?

as for Khilafah, working for it is fard on every Muslim, male & female.

The Khilafah is the islamic ruling system.
It deals with the affairs of the people living within the islamic state, it has a punishment system, social system, economic system.

i just want to end with a hadith of the prothet(saaw) when he say:He who does not
give his allegiance to a khaleef dies a death of jahaliyah.

wassalam.

NOTE:
"He who does not give his allegiance to a khaleef[imam] dies a death of jahaliyah."

All sunnis, shia, sufis believe in this hadith! Except the wahabis - the 'so-called' followers of hadiths!

Thanks for telling us that you - wahhabis reject the khilaphate!

Now can you explain what is prophet Muhammed (saw) to the wahabis? What was his role ?

All sunnis, shia, sufis believe that our Rasoolillah, Abraham, Jesus, and other great prophets had the Light of Allah in them. Tell us what the wahabis think about this?

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Salam brothers and sisters,
Yes it is the aqeeda of Ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat that Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) was created from "Noor" and *he was NOT an ordinary man * (ref: aqaid-e-ahle-sunnah by Mullah Saltoot Usmani).

and yes ** ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat do believe in Caliph or Imam being the religious authority**

it is the Wahabi fitna of Talibans and Sipah Sahaba who disregard Caliphs and deny Khilafat. All ahle-sunnah youth should be careful of this fitna of Wahabis. These wahabis change names but they are the same. They sometimes come in the form of Sipah Sahaba, sometimes Talibans, sometimes Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. There only purpose is to exploit Islam and misguide our youth. These organizations first get our ahle-sunnah youth into their web and then blackmail them through money and threats. Their is a clear evidence that these organizations get paid by Sausi Wahabis to create differences among Muslims and also to divide ahle-sunnah wal jamaat.
wassalam,
Muslim786

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Brother Muslim

Mohammad S.A.W. was a human not Noor. Only Allah S.W.T. is Noor.

Mohammad S.A.W. was a human just like you and me.

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Its a wahabi misconcept that Prophet (s.a.w) was like us. The true Islamic view is that Prophet (s.a.w) was better than every other human being thats why he has the title rehmat-ul-lil-aalameem. Here is a proof:
* Can a normal human being like u or me break the moon into two peices? Prophet (s.a.w) did. **
* ** Can a normal human like u or me ask the kankaryaaÑ (stones) to talk. Prophet (s.a.w) did. **
Threfore,
** Prophet (s.a.w) was noori given miracle power from Allah. ** (aqaid-e-ahle-sunnah by Mullah Saltoot).
Wassalam,
Muslim786

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Brother Muslim

Prophet Mohammad S.A.W. was the Ramat Ul Alameen, Mehboob e Allahi, there will not no human like him will born again.

Mohammed S.A.W. karishma was the power of Allah S.W.T. Like Jesus used to bring the dead to life, that was not Jesus powers that was Allah S.W.T. powers which make this happen, Jesus was curing the blinds, that too was Allah S.W.T. power.

Christian cliam that Jesus was the son of God, God himself and the Holy Spirit, which means that he was the Noor. Astughfurullah.

You are saying the same thing that Mohammed was Noor which makes him something super natural. Super natural is only Allah S.W.T.