"Azmat simply reached out, touched him, and called him mamu"

The following is a news story that appeared in India Today in august 1997

These are true-life tales of families separated during Partition, building their separate lives across the India-Pakistan border, and then finding each other through determination and luck. Principal Correspondent Ramesh Vinayak and Senior Photographer Saibal Das tracked down a few such families in India, and Associate Editor Harinder Baweja and Chief Photographer Dilip Banerjee followed up in Pakistan. India Today also got a brother and sister who had not met for 50 years to finally catch up one day in June, at the Wagah border.

Pic: Saibal Das
THE frail, stooping frame stood inches short of the white line on the road. It’s called Zero Line, a no man’s land that divides India and Pakistan at Wagah border, near Amritsar. That divide, as much as a chasm caused by unfortunate history, had prevented Shamli Bai, 75, from meeting her brother Veer Bhan – now Sheikh Imam Buksh of Mouza Kot Khalifa, district Bahawalpur, Pakistan – a sibling separated in a panicked crowd. Her eyes fixed ahead, Shamli, who lives in Rajpura, near Patiala, scanned the crowds. She was looking for only one person, her Punnu.

Suddenly, one of her nephews spotted an old, diminutive man staring towards the Indian side. A cheer went up: “O aa gaye hain (They have come).” Minutes later, when Pakistani Rangers – along with the Border Security Force, instrumental in this effort – escorted him to the Zero Line where Shamli stood, recognition flickered in their eyes before tears blurred their vision. Shamli, clasping Punnu, let out a faint sob, “Where have you been?”

It’s a question that many splintered families have asked since 1947. Not sure if their family members or a close relative was alive – could they possibly be alive? – after the subcontinent’s worst holocaust in divided Punjab. Parents who left their children for dead. A brother who stayed behind to protect his assets. A sister separated in mob violence. Some have found each other, through searches spanning three to four decades, through laborious word-of-mouth missions helped by Sikh pilgrims visiting shrines in Pakistan, through Pakistanis visiting shrines and family in India. Eventually, letters, photographs and cassettes have criss-crossed the border. Many who stayed back, or were left behind in Pakistan, converted to Islam. They grew up believing in Allah while their families across the border believed in Wahe Guru or Ram. Where generations have caught up with each other to nurture bonds that have no religious or political barriers.

Before the Pakistani Rangers gently pulled Imam Buksh away after 10 minutes, with both families vowing to keep in touch, he muttered: “Sister, destiny separated us, but the Almighty has united us.” Shamli stood looking at the border till she couldn’t see her brother any longer. “He is the same Punnu I had left behind 50 years ago,” was her refrain as she was led away from the border. “So what if he is a Muslim now? It has not changed his blood.”

“I have come from Pakistan where a lady misses
her mother very much.”

THAT night, before the caravan could move further towards Amritsar, running away from village Lubanwala, set ablaze by a mob, violence caught up with them again. And Dharam Kaur survived – again. It was only the next morning when she returned, wearing a veil, that she stumbled upon the bodies of her relatives. But there was one ‘body’ she didn’t find, of her four-year-old daughter, Mohinder Kaur.

Mohinder was in an orphanage by then, a fortunate survivor of unfortunate times, saved by a nurse called Grace who adopted her and renamed her Anwar Sadeeqa. She never knew she was once Mohinder Kaur. Until she got married, when Grace wrote to her, telling her about her real past. Then coincidence stepped in. One day, while travelling in a bus with her youngest daughter, Azmat, Sadeeqa found herself seated next to a Sikh gentleman. Azmat simply reached out, touched him, and called him mamu (maternal uncle). Sadeeqa broke down. The gentleman, Niranjan Singh, himself a part of a divided family – recently reunited with his sister – promised to help find her mother when he returned. On being told that Lubanwala refugees had settled in Kurukshetra, near his home, Niranjan would board a bus every morning and make an announcement: "I have come from Pakistan where a lady misses her mother very much. If any of you is a Lubanwala Sikh, please stand up.‘’ It worked. Through a word-of-mouth network that lies at the core of many post-Partition reunions, Niranjan learnt that Sadeeqa’s parents had survived the Partition violence and settled in Dera Dhupsadi, a tiny hamlet in Kurukshetra.

Niranjan was determined to follow through. Dharam Kaur – now a grandmother with a new family – would spend most nights gazing at the stars, and wondering aloud which one was her lost daughter. One such night, a stranger arrived at her door to deliver a crumpled piece of paper with an incredible, handwritten message: "I, Mohinder Kaur, daughter of Javind Singh, am alive.‘’ Nobody believed it till Niranjan, the messenger, related his chance encounter with Sadeeqa.

Then, in March 1996, Sadeeqa reached Dhupsadi. All she managed to say to Dharam was “Ma”. It was enough. Mother and daughter just clung to each other, before the tears, and then words, flowed. “Fifty years is a long time,” says Dharam Kaur of that reunion. There has been some catching up since; she is just back from Pakistan, having attended the wedding of her granddaughter. And she doesn’t gaze at the night sky any more.

“With Allah’s grace I have learnt about you.
Please don’t part with me now.”

FOR 45 years, all that Niranjan Singh remembered of his sister Surjeet Kaur was the red dress she wore the last time they saw each other, an image that haunted him, a regular replay in his nightmares. But while his parents fought guilt for having given up their ‘Jeeto’ for dead after she was held back by a mob in Shamsa village, Niranjan, now a mason in Panipat, refused to believe she was dead. “A feeling that Jeeto was suffering like me somewhere in Pakistan never left me,” he says.

He even thought of cutting his hair and disguising himself as a Muslim to get across to Pakistan, but decided against it. All he had to work on was the name of the village in Sheikhupura which he had left at the age of 12; Jeeto was 16.

Then, in 1992, while doing marble work on the tomb of a local Muslim saint, Roshan Ali, Niranjan met Ataullah Qureshi, the aged caretaker. On hearing that Qureshi was going to Pakistan, Niranjan, somewhat reluctantly, asked him for help. Qureshi agreed instantly.

One Friday evening, the women of Shamsa directed Qureshi to Padder village, 12 km away, to see Fatima Begum. “When I asked the old woman if her parents were Sikhs, she instantly wept like a child,” he recalls.

It was Jeeto, wife of Abdullah, a farmer, and mother of three daughters and three sons. For Jeeto, now Fatima, who had been visiting Sikh shrines in Pakistan in search of clues about her family, questioning pilgrims from India about her brother’s whereabouts, Qureshi was “like an angel”. Letters followed, but all in Punjabi, and she could not find anyone to read them for four months till she was directed to a Sikh gentleman who had converted and stayed back in Pakistan. Niranjan had an easier time with the letters in Urdu that Jeeto sent – Qureshi helped.

And he still does, as brother and sister correspond in languages that the other doesn’t understand but both have managed to transcend. Niranjan’s most valuable possession is the first letter he got from his sister where she said, “With Allah’s grace I have learnt about you. Please don’t part with me now. So far I have been like a living dead … Meeting you all would be like a new birth for me.”

Finally, in May 1993, Fatima got a visa to visit India. And in her excitement, forgot to inform her family in India of her visit. She just walked in one evening. “Her eyes told me that this old woman in a Pakistani dress is my Jeeto,” says Niranjan of the meeting, and these days he speaks of Fatima as if she were in the next town. Their blind mother would repeatedly touch the face of a daughter lost and found, the 50 years back in a flash. “We wept at our destiny till the tears dried up.”

Then they offered a prayer of gratitude. Fatima to Allah, and Niranjan to Wahe Guru.

“We have an extended family across the Indo-Pak border.”

IT’S a Sunday afternoon. At his residence in an affluent Ludhiana colony, Santokh Singh dials a Pakistan number. As the call to Gujranwala gets through, he starts speaking in chaste Punjabi. No introductions. The conversation skips from an update on the well-being of the family members to the unseasonably hot weather and cricket on both sides. After 15 minutes or so, the burly Sikh, dressed in a typical Pakistani salwar kameez, hangs up the phone declaring, “She was Abida, the daughter-in-law of my cousin brother, Nazeer.”

For Santokh, a bank official, and his Muslim family in Pakistan, the telephone is the main means of nurturing the bond the two families discovered after a 40-year-long separation. “Now, it’s like having an extended family across the India-Pakistan border,” he says.

When the subcontinent split, Shingara Singh, son of an affluent landlord, never imagined – like many others – that it would divide people forever. When communal riots spread, he stayed with his Muslim friends in the hope that his family would return. While his parents and elder brother, Gian Singh, fell to mob violence, his other brother, Barkat Singh, survived to reach India with his family. Shingara embraced Islam to become Chaudhary Sardar Khan – it also saved his property. But he could never reconcile to the separation. Every time the Sikh jathas would visit the gurdwaras in Pakistan, Khan and his son would make inquiries from the pilgrims. Eventually, they were able to discover where the Indian half of their family lived.

Finally, in 1986, Khan’s grandson, Mohammad Alam, came to India to visit Ajmer Sharif – he admits it was the perfect pretext – and though he didn’t have a permit to visit Punjab, went there anyway, and surprised the family when he came and knocked at Barkat Singh’s house in Patiala. “Suddenly, 1947 came alive in our home. There were sobs and smiles at the most unexpected reunion,” recalls Santokh, Barkat’s son.

There is sorrow and sunshine in Pakistan too. "We can’t afford to make telephone calls, but we think about them a lot,‘’ says Chaudhary Nazeer Ahmed, a modestly successful trader, Santokh’s cousin and Khan’s son, who keeps the family ties alive since their fathers died. "What pains me is that the families too are partitioned. But we don’t consider ourselves complete without our family in India.‘’ Nazeer says he will keep trying for a visa to visit India to reciprocate the three trips Santokh and his family have made. And he, like Santokh, hopes their children will keep the link alive.

“I saw my chacha and recognised him immediately. For a moment I thought it was abbu standing at the border.”

THAT day in August, when the mob came to Kanjrur village in Shakargarh subdivision, the Radcliff Line held the fate of the village – divided between India and Pakistan – in the balance. It finally went to India, but by then it had separated the two brothers, Narain Singh and Hazara Singh, and their families.

Scared that his family would be harmed, Narain, then 30, threw his wife and two minor daughters into a well and jumped in after them. Only he survived. Narain was pulled out, dazed, incoherent, and the mob let him be. He roamed the streets, insane with grief. When the clouds cleared, he found himself as Hakim Ali, married to Surjeet Kaur, a Sikh widow who was then called Noor Sufiya – two people who had lost everything, brought together by the sympathetic.

They had three sons who all grew up on stories about their uncle Hazara. “Abbu never forgot his brother,” says Ali’s son, Maqsood Farooqi. "He would spend hours sitting in the courtyard and crying, even on joyous occasions like Id.‘’ The sons took up the task of locating their uncle and finally succeeded in 1988. And Hazara’s daughter came to Pakistan to visit them.

Forty-one years later, Ali, then a respectable Faisalabad contractor and a haji, held his niece, Rajinder Kaur, in his arms and wept like a child. “It was much more satisfying than even meeting General Zia-ul-Haq,” says Gurdeep Singh, her husband, a journalist who interviewed the military dictator during the trip. A generation later, and four years after Ali’s death, the bonds are still being nurtured. Farooqi breaks down each time he talks of his family in India.

Until June, he had seen them only in photographs. Then, in a meeting arranged by india today, he finally met his uncle Hazara, now 80 – along with the two families – at the Wagah border. “I saw my chacha (paternal uncle) and recognised him immediately,” says Farooqi. "For a moment I thought it was abbu standing at the border.‘’

Hazara Singh was too moved to talk. There were more sobs than words as he hugged his nieces and nephews. As dusk fell and the gates were closing on the border and the families, Hazara could only look skywards at a flock of birds crossing over and, voice quivering, say, “Hum se to yeh parindey achhe hein, koi border nahin in ke liye (These birds are better off than us, there are no borders for them).”

“I will surely go to Pakistan to meet my sister… she will cook for me and we will sit together and sing…”

A feeble voice breaks the hushed silence in the room. “Veerji, sat sri akal, ki haal hey tuhadda? (Brother, how are you?).” The brother, instinctively, folds his hands, bows his head, and murmurs a "Sat sri akal’’ in return.

It’s an ordinary audio cassette. But ever since it arrived from Pakistan about a year ago, life has changed for a family living in a narrow bylane of Katra Munshian in Amritsar. They prefer not to listen. It makes Kartar Singh cry.

But he wants it played over and over again. At 96, that’s the only desire he has left. The cassette is the only contact with his sister, Shivan Wanti, whom he hasn’t seen since Partition; her husband chose to stay back and convert to Islam to save his lands and his life. Kartar sits glued to the tape recorder, surrounded by his family – his wife, son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren – as his sister continues: “I can’t bear the separation … sisters have no life without brothers … please come and meet me once … I don’t want to die without seeing you …” Then her daughter’s voice, before dissolving into sobs: “We are helpless. We can’t come to Amritsar because of visa restrictions … I don’t know what it means to have an uncle …” Everyone in the room is weeping.

Across the border, in Duska, some 100 km from Lahore, there is another cassette that makes Shivan’s daughter, Rukia, sob inconsolably. She has never met her mamu jaan and the cassette he has sent her is unintelligible. The old man can barely talk. Nine years ago, her brother went to Amritsar and since, the exchange of a few letters, gifts and the tapes have held the family together.

In Amritsar, the cassette plays out. Kartar Singh, a film of tears on his wrinkled face, replies in a shaky voice: “I will surely go to Pakistan to meet my sister … and then she will cook for me and we will sit together and sing …” Turning to his son, Amrik, he asks: “Is my passport ready?” Red-eyed, Amrik nods. “Before, he was too impoverished to go,” he tells a visitor. “Now, he’s too old.”

It’s also too late. Shivan died eight months ago, four months after she sent the cassette to her brother. “Whenever Ammi fell ill,” says Rukia, "she had only one prayer, that Allah give her a few more days so she could meet her brother once.‘’ The cassette still keeps that hope alive for Kartar Singh, unaware that his sister’s voice in a scratchy recording is the closest he will ever get to her.

“I have blood relations across the border.
Who will nurture these links after my death?”

AGE has dimmed his vision but not his memories. A simple query, of whether he has any relatives in Pakistan, stirs Atma Singh deeply. "Half of me is still there,‘’ he sighs. When his brother Ismail Khan was still alive, seven years ago, going to Pakistan was more than a pilgrimage. “It sustained my soul.”

It still does. He clutches at a frayed black bag, its contents as precious as memories of his brother Tarlok Singh – or Ismail Khan. Smudged photographs, letters in Urdu, the expired passport, his nephew Riaz’s letters. And like many people, suspicious of visitors who ask too much. "I am not a smuggler or a spy, I have blood relations across the border,‘’ he grumbles, gathering up the pieces that are his life.

Life then, in pre-Partition days, when Tarlok and he lived a rural life in Lyallpur. Life now, when Atma is still as obsessive about his trips to Pakistan as he was when Ismail was alive. In the 20 times that he has crossed the border, Atma has come to be respected as the grand old man among three generations of kin in Pakistan, the patriarch, and the brother of Ismail who chose to stay back in Pakistan, embrace Islam and marry a local girl. “Whenever I visit my relations in Pakistan, the locals treat me like a vip,” says Atma. Among those who warmly greet him during his visits to Pakistan are the old Muslims who had migrated from Ram Diwali, a remote village in Amritsar district. “They even enquire about the trees in their pre-Partition village.”

Recently, when Atma learnt about the death of one of his grand-nephews in Pakistan, he quickly packed up his bags after getting a visa, but deteriorating health held him back. “I regret not being with them in their hour of grief,” he rues. He was missed in Pakistan too, his nephew Riaz writing to him, “Please come once to console your grieving daughter. Your blessings may lessen her grief.”

Atma is a worried man today. His sons and grandsons are not keen on their blood relations in Pakistan. “Who will nurture these links after my death?” asks the old man, clutching at the letters and a loose shirt that Tarlok had sent him, one he has never worn. At 90, he has two wishes: that his family’s ties with Pakistan don’t end with his death. And that he wears that shirt on his last journey.

Many who stayed back, or were left behind in Pakistan, converted to Islam. They grew up believing in Allah while their families across the border believed in Wahe Guru or Ram. Where generations have caught up with each other to nurture bonds that have no religious or political barriers.

It is extremly sad that all Sikhs/Hindus left behind in Pakistan had to convert. My hearts goes out to them. It must be very hard to give up your religion in order to live.

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Originally posted by Rani:
***Many who stayed back, or were left behind in Pakistan, converted to Islam. They grew up believing in Allah while their families across the border believed in Wahe Guru or Ram. Where generations have caught up with each other to nurture bonds that have no religious or political barriers.*

It is extremly sad that all Sikhs/Hindus left behind in Pakistan had to convert. My hearts goes out to them. It must be very hard to give up your religion in order to live.**
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While I agree that the concept of having to convert any belief to survive is pathetic, I find it equally abhorrent that people will twist words as you have done Rani.

The quotation uses the quantifier: "Many" which you have quite conveniently changed to "all".

It is in this way that history is inaccurately rewritten and passed on.

Chann Ji, I read in today’s Times that India is lifting Visa restrictions, and Visa will now be issued at the Wahga Border to those wishing to visit relatives in India. I think it is a step in the right direction. While most of the post colonial/post WW2 wold has moved into a better phase, we still are unable to reconcile our differences (which there aren’t any). It’s a touching story.

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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
*Chann Ji, I read in today s Times that India is lifting Visa restrictions, and Visa will now be issued at the Wahga Border to those wishing to visit relatives in India. I think it is a step in the right direction. *
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proof of pudding is in eating, NYA, declarations aside, i have doubts on how many of these one sided concessions will actually take place.

on the other hand, india should do it. the image of india in mids of pakistanis is at a big variance with truth. they should go and see what india is like with all its problems, diversity, people. and i am sure if they go with open mind, will come back transformed just as pakistani artists travelling to india often come back becoming peacenick.

ZZ, I have not read if Pakistan has offered any reciprocation. In any event, it is a very admirable plan by Indians. Only last summer, I was at Wahga border with my family, watching the Changing of Guards (lowering of flags at sunset) and I was dying to go over to the other side to shake some hands and hug some bodies.

I wasn't aware that there were other Hindus/Sikh converted to Islam by force. It is equally appalling as to the stories which I have heard.

We all know that more Muslims migrated from India to Pakistan compared to Hindus vice versa and hence there are more shocking stories to hear. I have heard the stories of Muslim old women's hair burnt, men got killed, women raped in front of their husbands, young kids cut into pieces by KIRPAAN of sikhs and young girls taken away by sikhs.

I have heard very recently that some girls are still living with their sikh husbands converted to forced sikhism while subjected to rape and beaten up. I don't have any proof and these are the stories you get to hear when you speak to some sikh person who had a forcly converted mother to sikhism.

The quotation uses the quantifier: "Many" which you have quite conveniently changed to "all".

Read the article all of the people named in the article, who were left left behind in Punjab have to convert, none in the article is Hindu or Sikh although they were Hindu and Sikhs at the time of partition..some even committed sucide. Why do u think they converted after partition and not before..? Even if many had to convert to save their lives it is still very pathetic and extremely sad.

Khan Sahib...i am part and parcel of Sikh community i have never come across any muslim women married to a Sikh during 1947 partition or even living in Indian Punjab. On my recent visit to India, I was surprised to find about 5 to 6 lakh muslims in Ludhiana, lots of muslims are moving to Punjab and buying property and settling in..

My home town Delhi is full of Muslims practising their religion, women in burkas and choddars are seen all over the town. Jama Masjid in Delhi is full on Fridays.

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Rani, I didn't understand are you saying that you know every single sikh family in India in depth. Anyhow, I know almost all muslims in the community where I live and yet didn't hear any forced conversion of Sikh into Islam.

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Originally posted by khan_sahib:
**Rani, I didn't understand are you saying that you know every single sikh family in India in depth. Anyhow, I know almost all muslims in the community where I live and yet didn't hear any forced conversion of Sikh into Islam.

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given that pak is now 98.something muslim, which was definitely not case in 47, u believe migration was all that happened.
i think something more than migration happned. people suddenly saw 'beauty of islam' which they had not seen in last thousand years.
i am surprised with the insistence 'nothing like that happened'. but who will admit that his ancestors were cowards that changed faith for fear or reward.

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Originally posted by Rani:
***The quotation uses the quantifier: "Many" which you have quite conveniently changed to "all".*

Read the article all of the people named in the article, who were left left behind in Punjab have to convert,
[This message has been edited by Rani (edited July 10, 2001).]**
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In sensitive cases like this, where tempers can flare and emotions run rampant, I believe it is wise to be pedantic and clear in one's comments.

Perhaps it would have been better to say:

*"It is extremly sad that all Sikhs/Hindus *mentioned in this article who were left behind in Pakistan had to convert." **

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Originally posted by Muzna:
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In sensitive cases like this, where tempers can flare and emotions run rampant, I believe it is wise to be pedantic and clear in one's comments.

Perhaps it would have been better to say:

*"It is extremly sad that all Sikhs/Hindus *mentioned in this article who were left behind in Pakistan had to convert." **

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You can say which ever way u want, but it doesn't alter the message (re. conversions to Islam carried out in Pakistan), one takes away after reading the article.

[This message has been edited by Rani (edited July 10, 2001).]

When I first read this story I was really moved by the suffering of the very common people caused by the episodes of 1947 and I thought I should share with you guys.
It was not to make any point or start the discussion that it had.
I think people want to see in this story what they want to see.

I saw what I wanted to.

Now my two cents to the discussion.

  • About 6 million Muslims migrated from India to Pakistan and about 5 million Hindus and 1 million Sikhs from pakistan to Indian(source Freedom At Midnight)...making total migration fo about 12 million people the alrgest one in history. Since I got interested into this part of our history I have tried to find exact numbers that I could and these are the numbers most reputed authors have agreed upon.

  • About 200,000 to 500,000 people died on the west front. Freedom at Midnight has claimed it to be about quarter million(250,000). In any case the figures mostly thrown by indians and pakistanis of 1 million from each side(2 million total dead) is certainly too high. Desis have a tendency to exaggerate in suffering and happiness.

  • From what I have came to know, women were the ones who suffered most in this madness. Most of the muslim women captured by Sikhs and Hindus were eventually returned to Pakistan as Muslims were more willing to get them back on the other hand Hindu and Sikh women were afraid that they won't be accepted by their families after living with mulsim men, remained quiet to stay in Pakistan and live their fate.

I would recommend anyone interested to read Kulwant Singh Virk's Punjabi short stories which are real documents as he was one of the officers after 1947 who were given the task to find such misplaced women and to unite them with their families. He spent lot of time in Pakistan after 1947 doing that. Other writer is Afzal Tauseef from Lahore.

  • What is most interesting for me is the people who stayed and converted for the sake of their land and properties. This in most cases were men with good pieces of land and were the decision makers. Most of such cases happened in Punjab in Pakistan. Muslims on Indian side of Punjab did not had much land holding and hence no incentive to covert but better option was to flee safely and reap the fruits of freedom in their new country. Most muslim men who were converted to Sikhism in Punjab were 1 or two here and there in rural and remote areas where information or acces came too late. Most of them who stayed in cities like Ludhiana and Patiala were ok once the storm was over.

Anyway, this is a very shameful chapter in our history and as a Punjabi I do feel for all these people who are still living the pains of that fateful year.

I think people want to see in this story what they want to see.
I saw what I wanted to.

Very true

There are lot of muslim in MularKotla, in Punjab..i recently met some of them here and they are okay, nobody converted.

I dont think why some Indians have to talk about "one culture / one people" of our two nations. It obviously annoys a lot of Pakistanis however sincere the intentions may be. I was reading this article by retd. Gen Aslam Beg and he thinks of it as Indians inability to "accept partition". The "differences" obviously far outweigh the similarities or there wouldnt have been two states. Can you imagine a Pakistani posting such an article ? I mean its a touching story but the fact remains that things wont change. In a couple of generations this gap will only widen as the next generations may not keep up the old ties. Punjab is not Kerela where different communities live in peace. We have seen Hindu, Muslim and Sikh fundamentalism of the worst kind so stories of "communal friendships" almost seem straight out of some silly Hindi movie trying to promote brotherhood with ultra-simplistic solutions.

BK I disagree.
There has been no incident of riots between Hindus, sikhs and Muslims in Punjab before March 1947 and after Oct 1947 where general public participated on there own. There was not a sinlge incident of riots between Hindus and Sikhs in Punjab not in Jun 84 not in Nov 84.
Fundamentalism and violent political movements is a problem not only in Punjab but in the entire world and it is not limited to any one particular religion either.

How can Punjab be Kerela? A Sikh speaks to a Punjabi from Lahore in Punjabi and half of the population of Karachi and Delhi starts pissing in their pants and hurling abuses..anti-nationals, ghadaar, enemies of Islam enemies of Bharat mata...how can they forget rapes in 47? how can they forget what Mughals did to sikhs?
Few Punjabis get together in Lahore and say Punjabi sadi zubaan and you hear lectures in Urdu, Hindi, English..and yes in Marathi on how these guys have gone gadhaar...from both sides.
People from UP/Bihar and Pakistan can marry each other and live happily ever after but if Jagira from Khem Karn or Meedha from Kasur present a wish to visit the other side we need to chhaan-been his five generations to make sure some anti-national act does not get committed.

We have to support every fundamentalist voice that curses Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims from the opposite side yet we won't let any genuine Punjabi voice talk about their shared culture, traditions and language. It is just not nationalistic.

CM,
No one is calling anyone "gaddaar" or whatever. All I am saying is that Indians (not just Punjabis) have been overenthusiastic about our "common culture" and its all fine but Pakistanis have been harping on their "Kashmir first" policy. Speak in Punjabi all you want with your fellow Punjabis -- no Indian will object. But have you asked the Pakistanis how they feel about this subject. We recently had this Sindhi conference where all Sindhis participated (even some BJP members). It was welcomed in India but in Pakistan a few newspapers critisized the meet. I am all for these "brotherhood meetings" and "cultural exchange" programes but it has to be welcomed from both sides. Pakistanis need to feel the same as us about people to people contact. Otherwise whats the use.

By the way, I gave the example of Kerela as Kerela has a very high Muslim and Christian population compared to other states. You're saying that there have been no riots in Punjab since 47. But what is the percentage of Muslim population remaining in Indian Punjab today. When one community is reduced to a miniscule minority there wont be no riots.

I don't know exact number now but I think Muslim population in Indian Punjab is somewhere around 5% with Malerkotla and some surrounding villages almost Muslim majority.
What I am saying is that never before or after 47 people of one community as a group turned against the other. What I have read and hear is that regardless of the differences in religious practicces people did live peacefully next to each other for centuries. This myth that there never was any peace between communities false.

Also we can't compare Kerela or for that matter any other inner state with Punjab as partition happened in Punjab and not in Kerela.

Chann,

Actually nobody cares if Punjabis go or not go, honestly i have not seen anybody critisize it. My whole clan used to live in Pakistan I don't know of anybody even among my far flung relative who lived on this side of the border and none of them has ever gone back, they feel no connection. Connection and memories are with the people if all the people are uprooted and gone then places and buildings mean nothing.

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Rani, I have been practically away from my home where I grew up as a kid for 10 yrs plus another 6/7 years when I used to visit home every couple of months during my university years. I don't believe how many nights I wake up dreaming about that place, playing with my friends, wandering around in the neighborhood..just the landscape and places,fields, roads and marks as insignificant as trees alongside the roads.
Places,ladscape,buildings, the land the rivers has as much association with people as faces of people. I feel like I am the son of the soil, the land of five rivers and every bit of it has a long association with me which certainly transcend my this short life. Every town village reminds me of some part of my history and heritage. I know so many people on either side of the border some born as late as after the war of 1971 who feel this connection. I am sorry that you don't feel that way.

My immediate family was lucky not to move around in the last 400 years or even more (until I uprooted them:)) but many of my relatives from my in-laws side had the misfortune to lose everything and migrate East in 1947. In fact both of my parent-in-laws and most of their siblings are born in what is now Pakistan. Regardless of what they suffered in 1947 all of them remember their places of births very fondly and have numerous stories to tell about the people and places. Somehow I never hear them bitter about it.