Just remember one thing.
Being very intelligent and smart and educated doesn’t mean that you are sincere. I’ve never found Shaukat Aziz as a sincere prime minister.
What happened to Karachi Stock Exchange - he is totally to be blamed.
Unfortunately, you guys rely on some US magazines which are ofcourse bound to give sensored and controlled reports.
The report that came in Economist last year, is the biggest example of it. The growth ratios and all the positive things mentioned in that report never came true. If it was true at that time, trust me we would see the fruits of it by now.
I know the political govts were never successful but atleast they were still bound to go infront of the public every few years. And that makes a lot of difference.
Who would you blame for the situation in Balochistan. Come on, it is part of our country. This current govt has left them alone.
What would you say about Karachi Steel Mill. Who was responsible for planning to sell it for the cheapest price ever.
So my advice, do not go for some foreign magazines. Go and observe.
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What happened to Karachi Stock Exchange - he is totally to be blamed.
Unfortunately, you guys rely on some US magazines which are ofcourse bound to give sensored and controlled reports.
Oh i am shocked to learn that Shaukat was reponsible, let's quickly share some evidences now.
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The report that came in Economist last year, is the biggest example of it. The growth ratios and all the positive things mentioned in that report never came true. If it was true at that time, trust me we would see the fruits of it by now.
I know the political govts were never successful but atleast they were still bound to go infront of the public every few years. And that makes a lot of difference.
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Right and what fruits are you talking about???
Who would you blame for the situation in Balochistan. Come on, it is part of our country. This current govt has left them alone.
It looks like Balochistan was heaven before Aziz became Prime Minister and he turned it into hell??? Current government is only trying to clean up the mess and they are left with no option.
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What would you say about Karachi Steel Mill. Who was responsible for planning to sell it for the cheapest price ever.
So my advice, do not go for some foreign magazines. Go and observe. :)
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People forget that the government has no writ in the rural areas of Baluchistan and to an extent Sindh. And Baluchistan's population is ~90% rural in nature, living under absolute feudal domination. Since these feudals rule those regions, whatever development happens or for the lack of thereof, the credit or the blame has to be given to the feudals themselves.
On this Mushie/S'Aziz question, I sometimes wonder if Pakistanis are anarchists -- when it was Nawaz Sharif, they wanted him out, when it was BB, it was one corruption scandal after another, and the story goes on with Zia, Bhutto and the rest of the scum.
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Right and what fruits are you talking about???
Who would you blame for the situation in Balochistan. Come on, it is part of our country. This current govt has left them alone.
It looks like Balochistan was heaven before Aziz became Prime Minister and he turned it into hell??? Current government is only trying to clean up the mess and they are left with no option.
Again, where is the evidence???
Find for yourself. Balochistan was never in a good shape interms of economy, education etc. But Balochis were never considered like traitors. Our own army killed so many innocent people there. What are you talking about. It all happened - and history would always remember it. Not difficult to find the evidence. Seriously, if you can search for foreign magazines, you can surely do soe valid research.
Remember: you don't clean up the mess by killing your own people.
Stock Market: again its not that of a old story. I don't rememeber the exact money loss and the names of some main people but it was proved that our PM was directly involved and that was the reason that the case was simply sent under the files. Its common sense that people lost their investments terribly and govt. didn't take any any step at all..................WHY. Think about it.
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You cannot blame Aziz for Balochistaan directly..... Balochistaan has been a time bomb waiting to explode and in the geostretegic terms its no surprise that it exploded now. We as a nation are responsible for the state of balochistan.
Having said that all this talk of economic growth and developement doesnt give you the true picture. Visiting pakistan every now and then staying in the posh areas or the top hotels and shopping in the top malls doesnt describe the ground realities. The reality is that the rich man has been given all the chances to swell his fortune while life for common manis more and more tough. The sugar crisis all the sugar mills are owned by politicians mostly on the treasury benches. Why this govt allowed these mill owners to exploit the common man......where is any investigation where are the culprits.... I guess thats the Transparency Aziz talked about.... Stock Exchange Arif habib and co earned Rs6 billion in three weeks from the crash and there are others as well. Who suffered .. the small investor..common man lost again. chairman SECP objected to it and set up an inquiry but was dismissed and sent home.......... I guess thats the Transparency Aziz talked about
**Steel Mill **one of the biggest assets of Pakistan...running in profit now after years of hardwork.....I am not against privatisation but its a profitable unit and one of a kind. There be no more competition in the country but look how it was being sold..... who would suffer once steel prices went soaring up....common man again.... I guess thats the Transparency Aziz talked about
NAB established by this govt to tackle things like these is surprisingly quite ...may be waiting for the time when it can black mial these MNA's in case they decide to go against the govt.....
Common man is facing inflation of above 12%......is income growth keeping up with that.....Yes there has been investment but all most of it has been in speculative sectors not in industry. Like all army ruling setups before this, this set up was blessed with a lot of financial support by international powers but it hasnt been utilised to its premium
But to be fair under this govt Pakistan's media has developed a lot....we have a very competitive and well reformed banking sector and over all reforms in the financial sector have been commendable. But all too often this govt has played in the hans of big players in respective industries.
Thats the whole thing...........How can you make these audicious claims of good and efficient governance of transperancy in govt dealings when the very tools by which he is running the govt are as you say corrupt
Aziz to be blamed for stock market downfall?and balochistan crisis?.You should know Karachi Stock Exchanget is not like NYSE ,its a very small market with market capitalization of around 50 million us$,a few people with a lot of money can get into it and manipulate it for their own good and thats exactly whats happening.A few greedy a holes like Arif Habib,Teli and others are manipulating it..its no longer running on fundamentals like the state of the economy,company earnings etc.
As for Balohistan crisis hows a crisis among a group of thugs and criminals who are less than 2% of the population of Balochistan become a Balochistan crisis?.These sardars bugti,marri have been defeated,their hired criminals have turned themselves in and the people they expelled from their region are now coming back to live there.If Pakistan had not taken against these criminals they would havee become as strong as the war lords in Afghanistan who have their own jets and tanks.So give Aziz and Musharraf credit where the credit is due.
Aziz is an prototypical Economic Hitman, contracted by the World Bank...to get more info on the type, read John Perkins, aptly titled..."Confessions of an economic Hitman"
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Stock Exchange - ok. so what was concluded after that. Who was found guilty. What happened when Aziz's name was being mentioned ???????
Sugar Crises - all the crises because of mill owner etc. All the major sugar mills & business are owned by our cabinet members who're the right hand of our prime minister - do you call it transperant.
All the corrupt people who were with PPP and PML are now Aziz's best cabinet memebers. I'm sure you agree.
Steel Mill: I'm sure you are aware of the cheapest deal that Aziz was going to make to sell it. Do you know the privatization issue that was raised???
Not to mention that Musharraf has tried something like that too. It was actually worst when mill labor workers were locked a few years ago. It was a pretty brutal stuff.
PK always had problems with bribery issues but it was limited to lakhs - now it has reached to millions & billions.
Also plz don't forget that our political leaders are notorious because they're civilians. Whats about our army????????. They've done so much crap over the years. Thye've earned so much commission on purchasing the expensive weapons. Infact there was an army officer (i don't remember his name but he is residing in us somewhere now), he was on the black list (or crime list - whatever you call) in PK back in PPP or PML govt. It was proved that he earned millions and millions. Musharraf called him back. There was a tribunal, the officer payed hardly one percent in fine. And then his name was take off the list. Now he can travel to PK anytime. What was his punishment, how much did he earn and how much did he pay back.????????? Now he is the respectable person.
Atleast, in PPP or PML govt, he was considered a criminal.
Anyone who is reading this, might remember his name - plz mention if you do.
Overall, where is PK going - interms of everything - Economy, education, culture, religion.
Reading few articles in Time or Economist or Smith Sonian doesn't mean that we know the facts. Think about it that why all these magazines are appreciating Musharaff and Aziz.???????
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It was Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao. He happens to be the Interior Minister these days and he can put you name on ECL
If he is a PPP guy, he is a criminal in PML’s eyes whether he does anything or not. If he is a PML guy, he is a criminal in PPP’s eyes whether he does anything or not. Simple
