Avtar in Hinduism?

[KKF]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@mdroshan

An Avatar is considered to be the descent of the spirit of a divine being (like Vishnu) into a regular (but spiritually advanced) human being - so the divine being can act through the ordinary human being as a God descended on earth - at least that is my understanding.

The next expected Avatar is that of Kalki - some expect him to come to the world pretty soon.

BTW, there is an interesting analysis of different Hindu Gods at Hindu Gods

are they also waiting for the ‘Messiah’?

[system]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@KKF

are they also waiting for the ‘Messiah’?

No, they are only waiting for Kalki. But it probably means the same sort of thing.

An Avatar in Hinduism is probably like a Messiah (or Son-of-God) in Christianity.

I am not sure if the Imam Mahdi is considered a Messiah in Islam?

[psyah]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@mdroshan

No, they are only waiting for Kalki. But it probably means the same sort of thing.

An Avatar in Hinduism is probably like a Messiah (or Son-of-God) in Christianity.

I am not sure if the Imam Mahdi is considered a Messiah in Islam?

You see I’m not making this up …

[ajazali]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@muqawwee123

I want to hear and learn from queer, calypsodc, etc who got direct exposure. if other people have really studied the subject, their views are also welcomed.

Atheists and agnostic have some sort of soft corner for polytheism and are less bent on detesting it as compare to monotheism. Atheist, however, mainly target the Abrahamic religions.

[muqawwee123]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

and the topic of the thread was

PS: That can form an interesting topic to discuss in a separate thread. Please do the honor.

[ajazali]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@muqawwee123

**and the topic of the thread was **

PS: That can form an interesting topic to discuss in a separate thread. Please do the honor.

you were talking about queer’s knowledge of hinduism, so i explained you actual reason of his post. Now its upto you how you get that connected

ok i try to open that thread.

[ajazali]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

aajkal aap kuch zyada hi sakht ho gaye hain topic relevance k maamlay main

[muqawwee123]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@ajazali

aajkal aap kuch zyada hi sakht ho gaye hain topic relevance k maamlay main

I’m not restrictive till I post outside Arts Channel.

Some of my question in this thread remained unanswered as these lost in other comments or people who got information just ignored the thread considering the input that they either found irrelevant or unnecessary intervention.

[ajazali]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@muqawwee123

I’m not restrictive till I post outside Arts Channel.

Some of my question in this thread remained unanswered as these lost in other comments or people who got information just ignored the thread considering the input that they either found irrelevant or unnecessary intervention.

ilzaam hum pe hi ana tha

[muqawwee123]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@ajazali

ilzaam hum pe hi ana tha

I expressed what I thought posters were perceiving. I may be wrong.

[calypsodc]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

What do you really want to know about Avatar muqawwee?

1. Yes. It is possible to have multiple Avatars if the ocassion calls for it.
2. No. An avatar is nothing like a messaiah.
3. An Avatar is God come in Human form to teach humanity and lead when there is absolute necessity and society is on the brink of collapse or cpllapses due to lack of morality and righteousness. This is a promise made to us.
4. Yes God can be formless or can take a form if he so wishes to do so. We have no right to dictate and tell him that since he is formless he cannot become human if he desires. This reeks of arrogance in our faith.
5. The Avatar does not have a spiritual awakening suddenly when in human form, he will always be aware of his Divinity from the moment of birth.
6. So Kakaballi, if you were the avatar of sleeping Buddha, you would have been aware of that from birth and not just sometimes, so sorry to disappoint you but you may be a weak human afterall
7. An avatar’s life is a lesson in Dharma from us from his birth till he throws away his mortal coil.
8. As asked abt creationism, i have not bothered to see the video but what i can say is that Our creation theories are vastly different from the Abrahamic faiths and though allegorical are more similar to the modern scientific models as pointed out by Fritjof Capra and Carl Sagan.
   For us creation is Cyclic.The Hindu viewpoint of the continuous cycle of creation, destruction and rebirth is attuned to the theory of Big Bang - Expansion - Contraction - Big Crunch. This ‘oscillation’ is portrayed in Hindu texts, especially in the Bhagwad Gita as Shrishti followed by Vinaash. The period of Vinaash is one of extreme chaos where the very laws of Nature are described to fail. If the Big Crunch happens, the movement of galaxies towards each other will produce very strong gravitational fields which may make relativistic effects perceptible at a great magnitude. The physical phenomena which we are used to may change wildly or be non-existent.
   I hope that answers your questions

[muqawwee123]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

so multiple avtars of same Lord can be there in the World? Any examples?

Has the avtars coming to the world stopped now and all Hindus are now waiting for Kalki Avtar (the last Avtar)?

[calypsodc]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@psyah

The mechanism of avatar presents quite a few philological problems. One problem is “form” - translation and alteration of God.

A Hindu friend of mine was insisting that I was an avatar, because I introduced to him a different kind of awareness. I tried to explain to him that God cannot be contained, but he insisted that I was trying to limit God and I was Him … auzdubillah … of course I avoided him before I started to get a god-complex.

Yes we belive that there is a spark of Divinity in all of creation. We don’t have a judgement day and paradise of virgins for enternity in our afterlife. Our objective is to nurture that flame of Divinity and get rid of other impure or human attributes and finally merge into God.
This may take many births if necessary but it is all one long journey. The first step in this journey is to cleanse yourself of the 6 passions and get rid of it. They are: kama (lust), krodha (anger), lobh (greed), moha (attachment), mada or ahankar (pride) and matsarya (jealousy) completely. I am sure you have not taken an inch in that direction. So any God - complex you may have suffered from may be your abrahamic god complex and far from ours. So sorry bro!

[calypsodc]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@muqawwee123

so multiple avtars of same Lord can be there in the World? Any examples?

Has the avtars coming to the world stopped now and all Hindus are now waiting for Kalki Avtar (the last Avtar)?

Parashurama and Rama both existed at the same time. Nobody is waiting for Kalki with bated breadth He will come when he will come.
He is the final avatar only for this mahayuga not for all time.After that a new mahayuga starts so there will be avatars. Remember what I told about the belief of creation of universe being cyclic?

[muqawwee123]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@calypsodc

Parashurama and Rama both existed at the same time. Nobody is waiting for Kalki with bated breadth He will come when he will come.
He is the final avatar only for this mahayuga not for all time.After that a new mahayuga starts so there will be avatars. Remember what I told about the belief of creation of universe being cyclic?

Interesting information :k:

Was Ravana somewhat related to Avtars. From the past discussions on GS, I remember that he was destined to be killed (got mukti) from none other than but God. What was that link?

[muqawwee123]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@calypsodc

Yes we belive that there is a spark of Divinity in all of creation. We don’t have a judgement day and paradise of virgins for enternity in our afterlife. Our objective is to nurture that flame of Divinity and get rid of other impure or human attributes and finally merge into God.
This may take many births if necessary but it is all one long journey. The first step in this journey is to cleanse yourself of the 6 passions and get rid of it. They are: kama (lust), krodha (anger), lobh (greed), moha (attachment), mada or ahankar (pride) and matsarya (jealousy) completely. I am sure you have not taken an inch in that direction. So any God - complex you may have suffered from may be your abrahamic god complex and far from ours. So sorry bro!

So what are the concepts of Swarga and Narka?

[ajazali]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@calypsodc

Yes we belive that there is a spark of Divinity in all of creation. We don’t have a judgement day and paradise of virgins for enternity in our afterlife. Our objective is to nurture that flame of Divinity and get rid of other impure or human attributes and finally merge into God.
This may take many births if necessary but it is all one long journey. The first step in this journey is to cleanse yourself of the 6 passions and get rid of it. They are: kama (lust), **krodha (anger), **lobh (greed), moha (attachment), mada or ahankar (pride) and matsarya (jealousy) completely. I am sure you have not taken an inch in that direction. So any God - complex you may have suffered from may be your abrahamic god complex and far from ours. So sorry bro!

So hindu Gods are free from anger and pride?

[calypsodc]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@ajazali

So hindu Gods are free from anger and pride?

Don’t confuse deity with Brahman. Yes. Brahman is free from the 6 passions

[ajazali]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@calypsodc

Don’t confuse deity with Brahman. Yes. Brahman is free from the 6 passions

you said, Our objective is to nurture that flame of Divinity and get rid of other impure or human attributes and finally merge into God.
before merging into God you have to get rid of anger and pride implies God too is free from these passions, no?

[calypsodc]

re: Avtar in Hinduism?

@ajazali

you said, Our objective is to nurture that flame of Divinity and get rid of other impure or human attributes and finally merge into God.
before merging into God you have to get rid of anger and pride implies God too is free from these passions, no?

Yes .God = Brahman for us