re: Avtar in Hinduism?
So what are the concepts of Swarga and Narka?
I will explain later. Gotta go now :)
re: Avtar in Hinduism?
you said, Our objective is to nurture that flame of Divinity and get rid of other impure or human attributes and finally merge into God. before merging into God you have to get rid of anger and pride implies God too is free from these passions, no?
Good question. Probably, when God appears as Avtar in human form, he also embodies these attributes.
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Yes .God = Brahman for us
Brahman as in Brahman (caste) or its something different related to Brahma = The Creator?
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I will explain later. Gotta go now :)
Sure. Will wait for your response. I really learned something new from your posts.
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Sure. Will wait for your response. I really learned something new from your posts.
Brahman is different to Brahmin and brahma. According to my knowledge Brahman is seen as the highest reality which surrounds all and cannot be defined. It is in a way similar to a formless God. In Sanskrit it is defined as sat chit anand meaning truth consciousness bliss.this is the subjective experience one feels as they get closer to this reality. It is in a way like a universal spirit. This concept exists in Buddhism and Jainism also.
Calypso probably knows more about it.
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Atheists and agnostic have some sort of soft corner for polytheism and are less bent on detesting it as compare to monotheism. Atheist, however, mainly target the Abrahamic religions.
I don't think the eastern religions like Sikhism, Hinduism and Jainism are polytheistic but I guess the reason why some atheists/agnostics in west may not directly criticise as much is because they don't feel it affects them as much. The eastern religions are not big on conversion and don't have a believer/non believer aspect to it.
Maybe the atheists/agnostics in west feel they are viewed in same way as polytheistic. Also polytheistic are a minority in west and not a 'threat' as such.
I completely disagree that atheists in India or East have any soft corner for these religions. They target the majority religion of the country. I have 2 ex hindu atheist friends online and they talk daily about the evils of Hinduism and damage it is doing in India..about superstitions, rituals and blind belief. They mainly focus on Hinduism because that is what they know. Even recently the atheist guy who came up with a law to ban superstitious practices in india(for all religion) was attacked because some people felt threatened by this.
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you were talking about queer's knowledge of hinduism, so i explained you actual reason of his post. Now its upto you how you get that connected :)
ok i try to open that thread.
Queer probably has knowledge of Hinduism as maybe his family is hindu though he identifies as atheist.
re: Avtar in Hinduism?
Brahman is different to Brahmin and brahma. According to my knowledge Brahman is seen as the highest reality which surrounds all and cannot be defined. It is in a way similar to a formless God. In Sanskrit it is defined as sat chit anand meaning truth consciousness bliss.this is the subjective experience one feels as they get closer to this reality. It is in a way like a universal spirit. This concept exists in Buddhism and Jainism also. Calypso probably knows more about it.
Sounds like concept of tat... I think Tat is also referred in Gayatri Mantri
re: Avtar in Hinduism?
In Purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that Kalki Avatar would be the last messenger (prophet) of God in this world for the Guidance of the whole world and all human beings.
According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of Kalki Avatar, would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu religion is Arab Region.
In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are given as VISHNUBHAGAT and SUMAANI respectively. If we examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting conclusion: Take VISHNUBHAGAT. VISHNU (meaning God) + BHAGAT( meaning Slave) ALLAH + ABD (in Arabic) Slave of God = ABDULLAH (in Arabic) name of Muhammad's Father. SUMAANI =Peace or Calmness = Aamenah (in Arabic) Name of Muhammad's mother.
In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.
It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu Religion) that the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly fits the Quraysh where the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) belonged to.
God would teach Kalki Avatar through His messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S), through is messenger Jibraeel (Gabreal) in a cave known as Gaar-e-Hiraa.
God would avail Kalki Avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. Indication of Buraaque (horse) and Me'raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies).
God would also avail Kalki Avatar with divine help. This was particularly proved in the Battle of Uhud.
Another dazzling account given about Kalki Avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. Whereas the Prophet Muhammad(S.A.S) was born on the 12th of the Rabiul Awwal (Islamic Calendar).
Kalki Avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman. The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. So it would be foolish on the part of those who still expect Kalki Avatar, who should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come.
In fact, the divine book, Holy Qur'aan contains qualities and signs attributed to Kalki Avatar reflecting on the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S).
The author has given numerous arguments in favor of his claim that Kalki Avatar is in fact Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) and those who still await the arrival of Kalki Avatar should think again.
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Source? What do Muslims get from linking their Prophet with a Hindu Avtar? Avtar BTW doesn't mean Prophet in Hinduism.
re: Avtar in Hinduism?
Source? What do Muslims get from linking their Prophet with a Hindu Avtar? Avtar BTW doesn't mean Prophet in Hinduism.
Hindu attention ??
BTW this mentioned is not our porblem to deal with... its hindus who need to think about it... and if they reject make peace with it..
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Hindu attention ?? BTW this mentioned is not our porblem to deal with... its hindus who need to think about it... and if they reject make peace with it..
lols. There are many acts of Muslims which have attracted Hindu attention than this theory about Kalki Avtar.
BTW, I started this thread after going through a complete chapter on Hinduism in a book 'Culture ke Roohani Anasir - Spiritual elements in Cultures' by Daud Rahabar. In this chapter he genuinely complains that though Muslims and Hindus live together for centuries, they never tried to understand philosophy behind worships of other group. Muslims kept on sidelining Hindu concepts by saying them Jahalat and Hindus kept on keeping their rasois pure from touch of meat eaters.
So when these theories like kalki autar being Muslims Prophet pop up, one might think that its like 'andhere main teer chalana'. You don't know basis of each others faiths, but you do try to reach a common point. strange?
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What tools and mechanisms are used to extract exact understandings of God from Hindu scripture ... If there are opposing concepts how are they reconciled together ... At the moment the only way certain concepts have been described as being "unlike Tawheed" ... So why the unnecessary fear to seem like Islam? What is authentic interpretation and what is not and why?
We can already see that there is a difference between the Brahman, the Deities and the Avatars ... These differences are philosophical and should be understood ... But we need the succinct explanation for them.
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So what are the concepts of Swarga and Narka?
Swarga is seen as a transitory place for righteous souls who have performed good deeds in their lives but are not yet ready to attain moksha live before their next re-incarnation.
Naraka is also temporary where souls are punished for their sins. After they pay the dues, depending on the type of sin committed, they are send to swarga before being reborn or reborn immediately to continue their journey towards Brahman.
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Brahman as in Brahman (caste) or its something different related to Brahma = The Creator?
Brahman or Para Brahman is the unchanging reality amidst and beyond the world. It has been described in Sanskrit as Sath-chith-Ananda (being-consciousness-bliss)and as the highest reality. According to upanishads the supreme Brahman is infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. If you subtract the infinite from the infinite, the infinite remains alone.
Brahma is one of the trimurthi and associated is with creation. Brahma also gets absorbed back into Brahman at the end of an aeon, and is born again at the beginning of a new kalpa. Remember I mentioned that our creation is cyclic .
Brahmin is currently a inherited caste but was not so originally. They are the priests and acharyas - teachers.
Re: Avtar in Hinduism?
In Purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that Kalki Avatar would be the last messenger (prophet) of God in this world for the Guidance of the whole world and all human beings.
According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of Kalki Avatar, would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu religion is Arab Region.
In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are given as VISHNUBHAGAT and SUMAANI respectively. If we examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting conclusion: Take VISHNUBHAGAT. VISHNU (meaning God) + BHAGAT( meaning Slave) ALLAH + ABD (in Arabic) Slave of God = ABDULLAH (in Arabic) name of Muhammad's Father. SUMAANI =Peace or Calmness = Aamenah (in Arabic) Name of Muhammad's mother.
In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.
It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu Religion) that the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly fits the Quraysh where the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) belonged to.
God would teach Kalki Avatar through His messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S), through is messenger Jibraeel (Gabreal) in a cave known as Gaar-e-Hiraa.
God would avail Kalki Avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. Indication of Buraaque (horse) and Me'raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies).
God would also avail Kalki Avatar with divine help. This was particularly proved in the Battle of Uhud.
Another dazzling account given about Kalki Avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. Whereas the Prophet Muhammad(S.A.S) was born on the 12th of the Rabiul Awwal (Islamic Calendar).
Kalki Avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman. The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. So it would be foolish on the part of those who still expect Kalki Avatar, who should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come. In fact, the divine book, Holy Qur'aan contains qualities and signs attributed to Kalki Avatar reflecting on the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S). The author has given numerous arguments in favor of his claim that Kalki Avatar is in fact Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) and those who still await the arrival of Kalki Avatar should think again.
Why do I hear these strange and wierd stories only from Muslims? :D
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What tools and mechanisms are used to extract exact understandings of God from Hindu scripture ... If there are opposing concepts how are they reconciled together ... At the moment the only way certain concepts have been described as being "unlike Tawheed" ... So why the unnecessary fear to seem like Islam? What is authentic interpretation and what is not and why?
We can already see that there is a difference between the Brahman, the Deities and the Avatars ... These differences are philosophical and should be understood ... But we need the succinct explanation for them.
I don't really understand what you want to know. Please dumb it down for me please.
Re: Avtar in Hinduism?
In Purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that Kalki Avatar would be the last messenger (prophet) of God in this world for the Guidance of the whole world and all human beings.
According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of Kalki Avatar, would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu religion is Arab Region.
In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are given as VISHNUBHAGAT and SUMAANI respectively. If we examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting conclusion: Take VISHNUBHAGAT. VISHNU (meaning God) + BHAGAT( meaning Slave) ALLAH + ABD (in Arabic) Slave of God = ABDULLAH (in Arabic) name of Muhammad's Father. SUMAANI =Peace or Calmness = Aamenah (in Arabic) Name of Muhammad's mother.
In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.
It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu Religion) that the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly fits the Quraysh where the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) belonged to.
God would teach Kalki Avatar through His messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S), through is messenger Jibraeel (Gabreal) in a cave known as Gaar-e-Hiraa.
God would avail Kalki Avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. Indication of Buraaque (horse) and Me'raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies).
God would also avail Kalki Avatar with divine help. This was particularly proved in the Battle of Uhud.
Another dazzling account given about Kalki Avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. Whereas the Prophet Muhammad(S.A.S) was born on the 12th of the Rabiul Awwal (Islamic Calendar).
Kalki Avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman. The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. So it would be foolish on the part of those who still expect Kalki Avatar, who should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come. In fact, the divine book, Holy Qur'aan contains qualities and signs attributed to Kalki Avatar reflecting on the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S). The author has given numerous arguments in favor of his claim that Kalki Avatar is in fact Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) and those who still await the arrival of Kalki Avatar should think again.
There are many Puranas, so I am not sure which one you are referring to. The Puranas are not considered revealed scripture (like the Vedas or even the Gita). They are more like stories. The Guruda Purana, for instance has a lot nonsense in it (that is my personal opinion - hopefully no one is offended - I am a Hindu too).
I believe this theory that the Prophet Muhammad is predicted in the Bhavishya Purana comes from Zakir Naik. He has a lot of other theories also - that the Big Bang is mentioned in the holy Koran for instance. I have doubts about most of his theories. BTW, Zakir Naik stole this particular theory from an Ahmadiyya who first published it more than 60 years ago (but he never acknowledged the original author)
This is what Krishna has said in the Gita: "Whenever there is decay of righteousness, and rise of unrighteousness, then I manifest Myself... For the protection of the good, for the destruction of the wicked and for the establishment of the righteousness, I am born in every age"
So I don't think Kalki is the last Avatar
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So what are the concepts of Swarga and Narka?
I don't think anyone answered this question. Swarga and Narka are Heaven and Hell, but these are temporary places that you are sent to between incarnations according to your deeds in the previous life. So there is no eternal heaven or eternal hell.
After going through many, many rebirths and deaths, you will eventually become enlightened (like the Buddha) and become free of the cycle of birth and death. At this time, you achieve moksha or union with the Absolute (or Brahman).
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Why do I hear these strange and wierd stories only from Muslims? :D
I would be more then happy to look into hindu scripture, but if we find those stories to be true, would you be willing to accept the truth?