Authenticity of Haadith

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So anybody have any source for the Haadith:
‘Seek knowledge even as far as China’ or ‘Ilm hasil karo, chahey is k liya china hi kyun na jana pare’

I don’t know why but i have these voices from inside telling me that it’s fabricated and self-made by establishment of Pakistan in late 50s. I searched over the internet but can’t able to found any credible source.

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from what i have heard...its not an aunthentic hadith.......if at all it is one..

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THE BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE: SECTION ONE - Sunni theologian Ghazali records this narration in the previous link. Just FYI similar narration about China is also present in the Shia works of hadith.

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Why i can't able to find anything in:

Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan al-Sughra, Sunan Abu Dawood, Jami al-Tirmidhi & Sunan ibn Majah ?

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A pretty good investigation here:

There seems to be disagreement. LOL, but that’s not to imply there’s something BAD in seeking knowledge in China…

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firenze, if you are saying this hadith might be fabricated because it Pak govt wanted better relations with China then I would say the fabricators failed.
Because Pakistanis actually went more to US and UK for studies than China.

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First of All you need to learn to spell Hadith correctly.

I will get back to you on its authenticity. But as far as i am aware it is authentic and recorded in numerous books of knowledge. Had there been an issue of un authentic then 1400 years on ..or even if per your assumption .. 60 years on .. many great great scholars have come and gone .. someone would have bound to raise an objection about its authenticity .. and since i dont know anyone ..except you who has doubt about it ..it clearly shows that is is authentic. Its not just about something being in a book... There is a rules which you must remember .. the ummah of Prophet SAW will NEVER unite on something which is contradictory / wrong in inslam.. they can have a difference of opinion... but uniting on a un authentic hadith isnt a trait of this ummah.

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^looking forward to any reference.

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as-salaamu alaykum

Bismillah

I've also read that this hadith is fabricated. However, even if this particular hadith is fabricated the meaning is still correct. Seeking knowledge is very important and many authentic ahadith speak about it. There's required shari knowledge which is obligatory upon everyone to know. and Allah knows best

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You can keep correcting spellings.. Unless some mullahs with brain sit together and settled on spellings.

Well forget it, just look for source.

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From what I heard, its a fabricated Hadith.

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I've heard that is it is considered to be weak, meaning there is a high chance that it is fabricated.

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There is a difference between weak and fabricated. Weak is a true hadith that is because of multiple chain of narrations, cannot be used to define shariat, but still true.

Fabricated is the one that has no chain of narration at all.

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Peace All

picoico nailed this one guys ... it is neither authentic or fabricated according to the majority ... it is fair and famous - hasan mashhur ...

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That doesn't answer the question, a simple answer would be: It is fabricated or No it's not.
You guys don't have to mumbo/jumbo with words...

In the days of General Zia, there were certain Ayaat's highlighted not to be read on air.

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Peace,

Couldn't find it in Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu-Dawod and Malik's Mawatta.

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don't worry as hasan mashhur explains neither it is fabricated nor authentic according to the majority. What majority ?? when you can't find anything in 6 major Haadith collection.

I am waiting on FBi786 for the proof, aren't you done with checking all the records of FBI?

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Peace firenze

If you are of the opinion that a hadith can either be fabricated or authentic and nothing else then I'm afraid I can't help you ... I already said that it is not fabricated ... Which means the majority of scholars who have commented on this hadith have called it "sound" - which means that it cannot be proven to be fabricated, but it's transmission is not strong enough to be called authentic.

You see the 6 collections you are talking about are not the 6 MAJOR collections, they are the 6 AUTHENTIC collections ... in that those books contains only those hadith that have very extensive and largely unbroken chains of narration. To assume that our prophet (SAW) only spoke the words in those six books (most of the hadith are actually repeated and mirrored in those books) makes it seem that nothing much of the Sunnah actually reached us (because collectively they only number in the few thousands) ... that is ludicrous ... Rather on those books we can say certain things have an amount of weight consider it a likelihood of being true that other hadith do not have.

Many weak hadith are present - it does not make them any less true for being weak. However it does mean that usually rulings cannot be extruded from them and imposed in a Shari'ah.

Consider it like trying to predict the weather ... with certain conditions in place an estimate of what will happen can be made to a certain degree of confidence ... this is called likelihood ... much in the same way hadith when analysed for certain things will present to the scholars information that will enable them to state how likely they are of being true. It is not all black and white ... there are shades of grey and colours to account for too.

A fabricated hadith is only called fabricated on very strict criteria ... a weak hadith should really be called "a hadith - with weak narration" or "a hadith - with unclear meaning" or "a hadith - with questionable narrators" and so on ... because this way we are not questioning the hadith itself - just the information around the hadith that qualifies it for a level of authenticity.

There are many classifications of hadith and only some weak hadith have been declared as fabricated - the majority of hadith are weak they outnumber the authentic ones many fold - which makes logical sense. (There are easily something between 300, 000 to 1 million hadith+ that we have - the sahih 6 only contain a maximum of a few thousand)

Out of those hundreds of thousands of weaker hadith - a small fraction have been classified as fabricated by all authorities.

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Peace psyah

I didn't said that anywhere.
What do you mean by scholars, when something can't be found in all of 6 major haadith books. Neither their is in any reference after 1000 years of Prophet (PBUH) death. How can be it considered a haadith or let alone weak one. I still didn't get what do you mean by sound, so by this definition any words or proverbs can be called as haadith" if majorioty of scholars are on one page.

Draw a line somewhere.

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Shia sources that have been confirmed in some cases from Sunnis that Anas bin Malik was the transmitter of this hadith …

Even if it was not literally uttered by RasoolAllah (SAW) it’s meaning is compatible with the other hadith regarding the seeking of knowledge …

Now … as lay Muslims we should be more concerned with the meaning and message behind our scripture and not the actual words themselves (except the Qur’an) … if you are doing a study on authenticity then it is a different matter.