Aussi players refuse Pakistan Tour

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/cricket/newsid_1986000/1986213.stmAustralia’s top

Test cricketers have stated they will refuse to go to Pakistan - even if their board decides to proceed with the tour planned for late August.
Captain Steve Waugh and bowlers Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne believe it is too dangerous to tour following last week’s bomb attack in Karachi.

A total of 14 people were killed in the outrage and it also forced New Zealand to fly home on the morning of the second Test.

Australia’s vice-captain and wicketkeeper Adam Gilchrist has also voiced his concerns.

The Australian Cricket Board has kept its options on the matter open, particularly because the tour is still three months away.
But Warne, 32, is not prepared to wait before making up his mind.

He said: "If it is on in Pakistan I don’t think I would be going.

"For obvious reasons, there’s a war going on there. There was a bombing involving New Zealand. If it was tomorrow and we were going, I wouldn’t be going - no way.

"I don’t think anyone would hold it against people if they decided not to go to Pakistan.

"It is a big decision, especially when you’ve got kids involved.

“I’ve got three kids and there is a lot more at stake when you’ve got a family. It’s a pretty hostile place at the moment.”

They all indicated they were happy that the ACB would make the correct decision.

Just before Christmas, Australia pulled out of a tour of Zimbabwe.
And in 1996 they forfeited a World Cup match in Colombo because of Sri Lanka’s ongoing civil war against the Tamil Tigers.

Fast bowler McGrath added: "At the end of the day, we play cricket and we love what we do.

“But to put your life on the line for a sport is not what it is all about.”

Waugh admitted it was a weighty dilemma but added he had faith in the ACB.

He said: "Nobody should be forced to go if they felt at risk. It is pretty hard - you look at it from both sides.

"On one side you go for the good of cricket and not giving in to terrorism.
"On the other side you know it may be dangerous and you are putting yourself at risk.

"You want to go out there and play cricket, but if you’re in danger you’ve got to consider what the options are. They’ve got to send players over there who want to go.

“If the players don’t want to go there is not much point in sending a team.”

As much as these guys are cowards, I don't blame them for not coming to Pakistan, we want an even series not like the Newzeland series where we humiliate them so badly and cerain non Pakistani guppies make excuses because their main player wasn't playing.

Go for Sharjah, Calcutta and Dhaka, the 3 venues.


This is just sad and I don't blame the aussies for not touring Pakistan.

I'm sure it might take 2-3 years to bring everything back to normal.

what do you guys think?
this problem wont be resolved in matter of weeks ,infact it will require alot of hard work from the PCB side and the Government to assure the touring party about the safety of their players..

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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**As much as these guys are cowards, I don't blame them for not coming to Pakistan, we want an even series not like the Newzeland series where we humiliate them so badly and cerain non Pakistani guppies make excuses because their main player wasn't playing.

Go for Sharjah, Calcutta and Dhaka, the 3 venues.

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I would go for dhaka anytime.
The support there for the pakistani team is same if not better than the Pakistan.
People in Bangladesh are crazy about the game and can do anything to watch a high quality cricket. I wont be susrprised with a full capcaity attendence in 5 days test matches!

I'm sure PCB and BCB can split the profit or something, atleast it is better than playing in Morroco with 50-100 spectators(thanks to families of the players)

This should’ve been expected.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

I agree with the following article though. We brought this foreign venue stuff on ourselves. Immediately after the blast, the PCB started casting doubt on the Aussie tour. The Aussies latched on to the PCB;s words.

Not very proper nor professional in my opinion:
http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/14/spt2.htm

Home series on foreign soil not in Pakistan’s interest

By Ali Kabir

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) failed to show national character following May 8 suicidal bombing in Karachi which resulted in cancellation of the second and last Test between Pakistan and New Zealand.

While the whole nation was still in a state of shock, the PCB got down to assess its gains and losses and implications on future international fixtures schedule.

Of all the persons, the PCB high-ups started speculating on the tri-nation series and the Australian team’s tour in August. So much so that they even expressed their opinion of holding the series outside Pakistan - either in Sharjah, Dhaka or Tangiers.

As things stand today one doubts that New Zealand will return in August for the three-nation one-day tournament. The same can be said about Australia who are more fussy about minor details of their tour programmes when visiting the sub- continent especially Pakistan.

Australia in fact immediately picking threads from PCB Chief Lt Gen. Tauqir Zia’s statement have suggested of a possible series in Tangiers,

The whole question is what is the objective of a Test series between two countries. It is to promote the game and create recreation to the people of the two countries involved in the competition. The very idea of a Test series on neutral ground defeats the very ethics of Test cricket. If it is played on foreign soil the whole purpose is defeated.

Who is going to benefit by such a competition. The ICC, the parent body too has shown its inclination on projecting the Pakistan-Australia series in Tangiers. From where has this venue emerged as a Test centre. Morocco is a country, as big as California, and there is no history of cricket having ever been played there.

It may provide an opportunity to manipulators as it will hardly have any local following. Whatever the developers of Tangiers may have in their mind does not concern Pakistan as long it does not involve itself. When the Sharjah venue was established Pakistan had played a very supportive role. But it was Pakistan which suffered most because its players were accused of involvement in match fixing and Pakistan had to work really hard to improve its image but some players had to be punished for their alleged involvement in the matter.

So it will be better if PCB makes a calculated move and takes a safer course. Over and above all this, the strongest point is, why the PCB should at all agree for a neutral venue. Is the present PCB set up not sure that the present Government will handle the situation and control terrorism.

Why is the PCB so concerned about its financial constraints . Are they running the economy of the country from the cricket funds? If the PCB shows any intention of arranging the series at Dhaka, Sharjah or Tangier, it will create doubts in the minds of foreign investors who will shy away and will have sound reasons to tell the Government of Pakistan of the law and order situation.

The reason for going through the series at some neutral ground too does not hold water. The PCB chief said that with the 2003 World Cup round the corner, PCB cannot afford to keep the cricketers starved of international exposure.

Being a Pakistani, I would say " To hell with the World Cup". First it is Pakistan and then anything else. Sri Lanka had been suffering worst kind of terrorism but it never compromised on national issues. Despite worse conditions Sri Lanka won the 1996 World Cup. Sri Lanka never buckled down on national issues and ICC and every country had to accept their principled stand.

It is a shame that PCB cannot take a firm stand on the petty issue of a tri-nation tournament or a Test series against Australia. Fine the PCB bank balance will be depleted as it has unnecessarily increased its expenditure on paraphernalia but according to the PCB chief, hosting of matches on foreign soil is hardly financially viable. If the financial gain is not there then there is all the more reason that Pakistan should refrain from shifting its domestic tour to a foreign country.

The only beneficiary from the whole drill which was started by Pakistan could be none other than the CBFS. If the PCB wants to support them by going out of its way, it is a different matter.

It is time that the Government should step in and set up a code of conduct for all institutions to function within a framework. Nobody should be allowed to take any step which is against the national interest, intentionally or unintentionally. One hopes that the PCB will review the whole situation and revise its decision in the national interest.


A Wizard arrives neither early nor late, but precisely when he chooses to

After what happened you cant really blame the Aussie players for refusing to come. It is a shame that cricket is suffering because of this and I agree with Sherrybaba that it will take a long time to restore confidence of the touring teams. Till then we will have to do by playing at Sharjah or Dhaka.

We should thank God that none of the NZ players were hurt in the blast, especially as the blast was so close to their hotel.

Well yes u can't blame the AUSSIEs but on the other hand, even when suicide bombers blast theirselves off in any crowd in Israel, there are still matches hostes.
How come?
Let me remind you of the qualifying game against Austria and the UEFA Cup games.


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WatCh youR wOrdS; they become actions.
WatCh youR aCtiOns; they become habits.
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What happened to the neutral venues? I thought they decided on Morocco?

btw... Is there any possibility of finishing up the Pak-NZ Test series in Sharjah, Morocco, other neutral grounds?

I think they should play in Sharjah PAK would get a termendous support as they always say its PAK 2nd home and I think there are so many international cricket fan so the turn out will be really good.

The other day I heard on Prime TV news that PCB, SA are planing to play in Mauritius and they are in the process to invite another team that would be either Aussie or SL. PAK and SA has confirmed it but the 3rd team still has to decide. Suppose to be palyed in June anyone know about that?

If they dont wana play they are jerk ! its pure politics they can play in olympics despite all of the bomb blasts etc and those blasts were intended towards the players and this one in Karachi is not even intended towards NZ players.

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Originally posted by BAYWAQOOF:
**If they dont wana play they are jerk ! its pure politics they can play in olympics despite all of the bomb blasts etc and those blasts were intended towards the players and this one in Karachi is not even intended towards NZ players.

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Very True.

check out the following:
http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sk/news/reuters/20020514/reu-pakistan.html

They are just being whiners in true Aussie style. If the same thing happened in Australia, the great diplomat aka Wasim bhai would be urging a tour and would even volunteer to play a match in the real hotspots. I really hope Pakistan refuses to tour Australia when it comes to that. If we're going to go bankrupt at least teach Australia something of a lesson.

We're inconsistent, fine!
We're unprofessional, fine!
We've been involved in match fixing, fine! But one thing no one can deny is that we're a damn good cricket side!

And it is cricket's loss if we start meting out the same treatment that we have been getting for a long time now. It's about time Pakistan board got some guts and started standing up for itself.

Yes, by agreeing to play at a neutral venue, we are just giving in to external pressures -and this can affect our national integrety.

As important as the world cup is, Pakistan should not be made to give in to demands of other countries. Otherwise, how do we call ourselves a soverign state.

Is Pakistan's situation bloodier than Sri Lanka's ? No, but u don't see SL agreeing to host in neutral venues.

If teams do not want to play in Pakistan, we should stand up for our rights at the ICC. And if there is no cricket, so be it.

Nothing's more important than national soverignity.

Pakistan should not have to plead with the Auzzies. Who do they think they are ?

Hell with them and anybody else who has issues with Pakistan.

Either play in Pakistan or pay the cost of forfeiting the matches.

If Pakistan agreed to neutral venues, it would mean that we ourselves acknowledge that there r security concerns.

What impression of confidence would that show in our government ????

Its time to take a stand. Cricket is not above national pride.

Pakistan Zindabad.

I agree 100 % with Gandalf and sambrialian

http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sk/news/reuters/20020517/reu-pakistan.html

Former Pakistan captain Wasim Akram has urged Australian players not to make any hasty decisions about touring Pakistan later this year because of security concerns.

“I know it is difficult for them at this moment. I can understand what they are saying. But you can’t just rule out coming to Pakistan,” Akram told Reuters.

The tour was put in doubt after a suicide car bomber killed 14 people and injured scores on May 8 just outside a Karachi hotel where the New Zealand and Pakistani cricket teams were staying. New Zealand aborted their tour.

Leading Australian players Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Steve Waugh said earlier this week they would not tour in August and October even if the Australian Cricket Board went ahead with the tour.

“It is very unfortunate what happened, it was a trauma for everyone,” Akram said. “But I would say allow things to settle down, there are still six months to go before the tour.”

"The response of the New Zealanders was understandable. They were scared and worried after they had witnessed the incident from close. They wanted to fly back home on the first available flight.

"It was a trauma even for the Pakistan players. I could not get the pictures of the blast site out of my mind for three days. But in today’s world these things happen.

"It was a coincidence it happened near the team hotel. And it is unfortunate such a thing happened. It is also the first time such a thing has happened with a touring side.

"You can’t just rule out touring Pakistan. There is still six months. There is still a lot of time left for a sane decision to be made. The situation should be different in six months time.

SETTLE DOWN

The 36-year-old Akram – a veteran of 104 tests – advised the Australian players to refrain from speaking out against the planned tour at this juncture and wait for things to settle down.

“They should make a decision after taking proper stock of things.”

He said the International Cricket Council (ICC) and its member boards needed to support and back Pakistan cricket through these difficulties.

The australians got a very good excuse for not touring Pakistan

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/frown.gif

Who cares if couple of their main players will not be playing, afterall the they are the greatest team in the world, they should play without their main players and should beat a so called inconsistent side fairly, I have to agree with some guppies here, no neutral venue, keep the tour in Pakistan if they refuse Pakistan shouldn't travel to Australia in june and december of next year.

Its about time we need to fight back, if they can refuse to tour they we can also.

Only main players won't tour but the ACB is still on with the tour.


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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**Who cares if couple of their main players will not be playing, afterall the they are the greatest team in the world, they should play without their main players and should beat a so called inconsistent side fairly, I have to agree with some guppies here, no neutral venue, keep the tour in Pakistan if they refuse Pakistan shouldn't travel to Australia in june and december of next year.

Its about time we need to fight back, if they can refuse to tour they we can also.

Only main players won't tour but the ACB is still on with the tour.

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Great ..PCB should stick to it.
Infect Playing Eindies in Sharjah was also bad decision.One need to act tough on thsi Gora..Gen Tauqeer is is such a good friend of Dalmiya ,why doenst he take some leson from him.