Re: Attributes of Allah - The Belief Of True Salaf
Bismillah, Alhamdulillah Wassalatu Wassalamu ^Ala Rasulillah,
Unfortunaltely you really don’t know much about Ibn Taymiah. All that you know is what those who defend him and try to make assumptions and excuses for him in what he and his students say. But don’t rush to judge me on this criticism on you, because I will show you that insha’Allah further from his books and quotes with complete references.
I did read the previous page gupgup and here's the scan of what Ibn Taymiah said:
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As I said Ibn Taymiah always quotes other's including Salaf and Khalaf in what he says. But none of them say really what he came up with!! He only attributes the claim to Sahabah (Radiallahu ^Anhum) and Salaf for being very authentic sources. But not to worry.
In the page you are looking at you said that he was only quoting misguided group’s claim about Allah being a body, and you claimed that Ibn Taymiah denies that claim.
In the quote you are seeing, page 100 of his book talbees al-Jahmiah ibn taymiah says: “the imams never talked about that (attributing Jism – body to Allah) neither did they attribute Allah with it NOR did they deny it”.
And that's the part where you skipped with .... as you can see in your quote:
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"The words body (jism), organs and expanse and such like of technical terms: it has already preceded from us on more than one occasion that the predecessors and imams did not speak about that… rather it is an innovation of the people of theological rhetoric."
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Anyways, from what you see Ibn Taimiah claims that salaf and scholars never denied that attribute (Body – Jism) to Allah!! AND THEN in other books he literally attributes the body to Allah and the organs. As in one of his books he said “Allah is as big as the throne” and in another says Allah has mouth and other ugly sayings Wal-^iathu Billah.
That shows you that he He’s a contradictive liar, and not a scholar. That’s why so many scholars authored against him and his sayings. Because the scholars of Islam of Salaf not only denied that attributes or its likes, rather declared as a kafir the one who attributes the body or organs to Allah.
The great true Salafi, Imam Ja^far as-Sadiq said: "He who claims that Allah is in something or on something or from something, commits ash-shirk. Because if He was in something, He would be contained, and if He was on something, He would be carried, and if He was from something, He would be a creature."
Imam Ahmad Ibn Salamah, Abu Ja^far at-Tahawiyy, who was born in the year 237 after Hijrah, and was one of the Heads of Great Salaf said in his book: "Allah is supremely clear of all boundaries, extremes, sides, organs and instruments. The six directions do not contain Him--these are attributed to all created things." Such is the saying of Imam Abu Ja^far who is among the heads of as-Salaf. He explicitly stated that Allah is clear of being contained by the six directions. The six directions are above, below, in front of, behind, right, and left.
Allah knows best.
Not to worry brothers and sisters. This discussion is very informative. I will show more insha’Allah of where else he says that statement explicitly.