This is the correct ayat, I believe. From Quran. Closest translations
002.120
YUSUFALI: Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
PICKTHAL: And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting guardian nor helper.
SHAKIR: And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
What a bunch of intolerant crap.
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What exactly are you referring to? Are you calling 'crap' to the Quranic ayat, or are you referring to the discussion prior to that?
the point is that the verses are related to specific times and specific situations, whereas one can get guidance from them if one is in similar circumstances is a diff thing, but they can not be applied equally to all times and all situations.
now if you point was in reference to the issue about attending funerals, my link and post provides the perspective from a a religous source which is different than that perspective that swera provided.
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want me to start quoting talmud?
the point is that the verses are related to specific times and specific situations, whereas one can get guidance from them if one is in similar circumstances is a diff thing, but they can not be applied equally to all times and all situations.
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Exactly... 'Shaan-e-Nuzool' is extremely important while understanding an aaya'h
Non only Shaan-e-nazool.. but 2:120, in my view, is not directly related to the issue of whether one can attend the funeral of a non-muslim. The ayat attempts to clarify the differences and cautions muslims not to trust non-muslims as protectors. To say that it is a proof that muslims should not attend their funeral is a big leap, which does not seem to be based on this ayat.
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Non only Shaan-e-nazool.. but 2:120, in my view, is not directly related to the issue of whether one can attend the funeral of a non-muslim. The ayat attempts to clarify the differences and cautions muslims not to trust non-muslims as protectors. To say that it is a proof that muslims should not attend their funeral is a big leap, which does not seem to be based on this ayat.
W'allah o Aalim.
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what i can understand is that muslims can (and should) attend the funeral as a good human being... however, must stay away from acts that are unislamic in such occassions.. right?
I am sure we can also pray to Allah Ta'llah to forgive the sins of the departed. We don't really have to follow all the christian rituals.
Just as I won't expect a christian to stand up and offer Namaz-e-Jinaza, similarly I am sure they won't expect their muslim acquintances to take part in overtly christian rituals. Paying our respects to the departed, and if we chose, pray for the departed soul and strength to the bereaved to cope with the loss, is probably all it should be.
forgive the sins of someone who died as non-muslim? Based on the ayaat refering to hadhrat Ibraheem:as: duaa for his father “Aazar” what I know according to tafaaseer is that it is wrong to make such dua. Correct me if I am wrong.
I have also read opinions which said that Azaar believed in many gods and thus died in a state of shirk. Probably not a good idea to equate that with the ahle-kitaab (christians and jews), regardless of their trinity concept. Thet all believe in one God.
Then again, if one does not want to pray for the dead, muslim, christian or jew, thats their choice. Can't force. I know muslims who won't pray for the souls of dead muslims.
that part made me confused… so People of the book are also rightly guided and ALLAH will forgive them even though they would not have beleived in Muhammad:saw: ?
None of us can claim to know for certain whether Allah will or will not forgive the sins of people of the book, including muslims. All we are doing is praying. The rest is up to Allah.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
None of us can claim to know for certain whether Allah will or will not forgive the sins of people of the book, including muslims. All we are doing is praying. The rest is up to Allah.
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so, even if someone dies as a christian or jew, the person can be forgiven by ALLAH? (I am not talking about being muslim.. i am just curious about having the correct faith being the key of success in Aakhira)
We muslims like to believe that Jannah will ONLY be populated by Muslims. Thats what we have been told from day one, to keep us on the right track, and to make sure that we feel good that after the Day of Judgement, while we will be awarded Paradise, all these christians and jews will be thrown in hell fire.
In my view, this assumption flies squarely in the face of the bigger faith that Allah is all Merciful. We can not begin to imagine the limits of His mercy and His forgiveness. He created mankind, after all, knowing fully well, that we will sin.
CorruptAngel, that is totally incorrect. All Ummahat-Ul-Mo'mineens were Muslims.
By the way, a Muslim man can only marry Ehl-E-Kitabs and even that under certain circumstances. A Muslim woman is not allowed to marry any Non-Muslim (including Ehl-E-Kitabs).
Allah knows best.
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*Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi: *
Apart from all the confusion created here and everything is now as clear as mud:), I have an offtopic question first:
I never heard of this... Can you please, tell me which wife? Jazak ALLAH.
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WoW.. so, if i convert to christianity, not beleiving in Prophet Muhammad:saw: I can still be forgiven?
I thought Trinity comes under Shirk too and according to QURAN if someone dies on shirk will never be forgiven, the only thing that ALLAH won’t forgive… it’s clear in Quran.. isn’t it?
same thing, quran states that Jews beleive in hadhrat Uzair:as: being the son of God…
It is not permissible for the Muslim to attend the funeral of a kaafir or to enter their churches, even if that is a sign of respect etc, because attending the funeral is a way of *showing love and respect, and it is not permissible to show that towards a kaafir, according to the correct view. *
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i hope not many muslims believe in this version of islam..
Why would you want to go on the wrong track and lower your chances of being successful on the Day of Judgement?
Whether Allah will forgive our sins is upto Allah. If we are provided the right guidance and we still deviate, we should repent and come back to the right path.
None of that takes away the fact that Allah is All Merciful. We, as humans, can not put limits on what we feel Allah should or should not forgive. It is neither our position, nor in our power. Astaghfirullah.
The question whether jews or christians are mushrikeen is debated extensively. Even in the time of Prophet Muhammad (Sallalah o Alaihay Wallaihay Wassalam), muslim men were permitted to marry pious women from People of the Book (jews or christians), but were not permitted to marry polytheist kuffar women. What was the difference, in your opinion? The christians did not start believing in the concept of trinity after Islam came around, nor did jews suddenly started believing what they believe about Hazrat Uzair (Razi Allah Tallah) after Islam. Did they?
nope they dont. I dont know of any person that I know who has refused to go to a non muslim's funeral. This inlcudes the very conservative nanhiyaal and the rather liberal dadhiyaal as well as people we know.