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AAG has done a poor job of communicating.
Payarilclarki,
Point taken. I apologize.
Listed above examples to demonstrate various excuses given by militants as justification for actions taken.... majority of the time.... against innocent bystanders.
Why defend or seek to justify such actions?
There is no justification in targeting innocents.
My point is:
There is no justification for immoral acts.
A waste of time to try.
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its not justified to kill innocent civllians but its also inevitable its clear as day light when you cross thousands of miles of land and sea to occupy other peoples countries you will pay the piper some how
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Dear ak47,
Do you think the entire Iraqi population currently residing in Iraq want coalition forces to withdraw immediately from Iraq?
Or do you think outside forces are promoting this?
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Yes, on behalf of AK, I can confirm you that all Iraqis except the Govt ministers want America to leave.
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There are two different types of terrorists. One who takes a direct action, he is the open terrorist and it is easy to tackle him.
The other one is the hidden terrorists, who comes in open and tries to prove some design, or to justify the terror act...this hidden terrorist roaming around in open is more dangerous.
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And your source is?
What I mean is…
This is not what you want for Iraq? But what Iraqi’s want for themselves?
If you are indeed certain what the Iraqi’s want…
Please tell me.
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And what is your source that Iraqis want you there? Your first source that Saddam was making bomb was a fake.
your petrolium interests are also safe in Iraq. Only when you leave the Iraq Govt will have to run away and if you are there to safegaurd some 40 or 50 ministers, you are idiot.
Better you give up the old colonialist theory that if you leave Iraqis will start civil war…That is absolutely not your problem, as your presence is already a reason for civil war.
Get out off Iraq, and Iraqis will easily decide what they need.
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so 2 wrongs make a right, or three wrongs make a right…help me with the math here.
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imagine a Cruel dictator in Pakistan. Some ppl like him some don't. Would you want some foreign country, especialy USA to come bombard your country, turn it into rubble, occupy it, kill your neighbours and relatives and destroy your mosques and wave american flags in your capital and occupy the presidential palace and in the name of freedom occupy it them selves , take away oil or gas or whatever natural resource there is .....
Yes the IRaqis ,, hell the whole Muslim world wants the Americans out of Iraq , out of this world in fact
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Iraqis don’t want the amerikkans there that is clear if USa was wanted in Iraq your job would be very easy today, clearly the job is bigger and nastier than the Pentagon estimated thier blueprint for Iraq has had to be re drawn several times.
Outside forces are always involved and i am not talking about the few foriegn mujahideen, i am talking about nations like Britain they are only in Iraq to get what they can themselves they are always jealous of Amerikkka’s current power and world domination and do not want them to get the whole cake i woud’nt be surprised if they was involved in some of the sabotage going on in iraq.
But regarding the Iraqi population you cannot blame them for hating amerikka you have bombed them for over 12 years put sanctions on them starved them and then occupied them, its natural they don’t want you their put yourselves in their shoes and how would you react.
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he he he.amreeka wants iraq not the other way round
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Not that I wish it upon anybody, but I wonder whether its time the terrorist zombies turn their attention to Dubai and the Emirates - it is after all, a glitzy, decadent western haven amongst a ‘muslim’ nation. If your near and dear were to be caught up in such an incident, I wonder if you would still sit cosy and think rationally about the “affect on human civilisation…”, and whether the perpetrators were in fact innocent, really . Secondly, one of the immediate impacts on people like you would be that the braindead Arabs who already treat you like third class citizens as it is (which you tolerate so admirably) would start treating you like scum and sh_t, and making life for you, on the whole, unbearable, so that you and your family would have to leave lock stock and barrel the country where you were probably born in to the country of your fathers. I wonder, should such a fate befall you, whether you would still be able to stick to your very rational mind and say, “hey..they had a reason..I understand..”
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Risky lets apply your logic to you. If your people were attacked because some cowboy thought your country leader had WMD and links to Islamic terrorists but it turns out that none of it were true, and in the process of all of that over 100,000 (counted for) women children and men have been killed, what would you do if you were one of those camel riders whose village was wiped out by a US bomb? What would you think to yourself when you knew that the 19 hijackers on Sep.11 were Saudi but your country is being attacked, yet the cowboy is busy showing “gorgeous” flowers in his backyard to the Saudi leader holding his hand while your countrys leader is shown all over the world in his underpants?
Don’t give me some shyt about Saddam was bad, we all know he was bad that’s why we fought the first war and it was over with.
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Why is everyone jumping up and down? Has it been proven that it was done by Muslims, yet? NO....
But there is general consensus amongst all non-Muslims that they did it. And Muslims themselves have concluded Muslims did it....why should everyone feel such guilt?
All of you can thank these bombs and bombers for turning Europe also squarely against Islam.
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Why should we feel guilty in the first place? This war is not about Islam or the West it is about one group of people trying to take control of another group of people land. Islam has nothing to do with it. If you want to run things around in other people nations, stepping on their toes, not everyone is going just sit around and allow it. The West uses freedom as a brand to attract followers and the fundamentalists use religion/Islam. This war is being waged by bunch of thugs and gangsters. The days of holy wars are over long ago.
Muslims need to suck it up and say it clearly, don't puss out! Hey you kill their mamas they gonna kill your mama.
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Some other people’s hometowns have also been attacked and they are just as furious as you are…Here you have the privilege of holding a slurpee in one hand, while with the other cursing out those that have a different way of living…
There are those, who are watching their very loved ones’ brains being blown apart…
Be thankful…
Wow Pir Sahib…Your display of apathetic attitude is remarkable…“handled palestinians in an idioptic way”…
I would love to show you a link of the silly way these Israelis treat Palestinians…Naughty Jews…
What if they were Shaheed? Truly Shaheed? Would that be cursing the Shuhahda?
You’d say “These scum of the bowel of &*() aren’t fit to be called humans” or some other pop American cliche…
Do you know who a Shaheed is and who is not?
I remember you writing out the example of Ibn-e-Insha’s “Urdu Ki Aakhri Kitaab”, in which a Mullah was pushing others out of the circle of Islam…
Well, my friend, seems you just pulled the cirlcle from underneath quite a few people…
Anyways…As always…No offense intended…Last time was good enough…
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i agree with you!!!
My heart is torn apart btw the West and the muslims…as a white muslim and i feel sorry for both. But terrorist attacks and war on terror are such insult to the human race those who commit such crimes are so low in my esteem thought i understand their motives. I** long for peace and understanding…**
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=3380252#post3380252
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look i never meant to prophecised that 2 negatives make a positive.yeah its immoral and its not justifed to target innocent ppl.whenever terrorists strike some west targets then ull find the 2 school of thoughts the one supporting ideology and one condeming them.this occurs coz of frustation among ppl,whenever superpowers like usa behave in such irresponsible manner and in the name of killing/fighting terrorism they kill millions of men/women/children of the invaded country.and arrogantly call it colateral damage,without offering a single word of sympathy.
look dear its just a politics and there is no place of right or wrong in furthering ur agenda.both r arrogant of power.and always prove one thing right::::might is right…and ultimate the innocent ppl r sacrificed at the altar of this power game.
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Do you gave a crystal ball, or are you just a presumptious shyte ? What makes you so sure about my views on Sadam or Iraq ? I don’t recall saying I supported invading armies any more then saying Logo was short for Logotype. And no, I don’t believe frying innocent people going about their business 150ft underground is any justification for the action of their irresponsible governments (go on - you’re going to tell me they weren’t innocent). The commendable anti-war constituency will wither away under the bombs, and the very statesmen you are trying to embarass turn into heroes (Blairs ratings have actually gone up !). So you kill innocent people (very very Unislamic in the first place), and then you make your enemies stronger - a double whammy of devastating proportions.
By the way, using your logic, what reason did the 19 Saudi’s have (your quote above) - they were quite cosy-cosy with the US weren’t they ?.
Anyway, somebody has quite rightly pointed out above that there is no proof as yet who committed the latest crimes - which makes me wonder why you’re so eager to justify them on behalf of a certain group. Nonetheless, they were an evil whoever was responsible.
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Umm what ever you’r trying to say doesn’t make sense. I guess you didn’t get my point. If some “terrorist zombies” attack Dubai , ofcourse i’ll take revenge. Ofcourse i won’t sit cozy and think rationally. Thats my whole point. Who would .. no one. Especially not the soo called Muslim terrorists whom have all their villages blown of and countries taken away from them. So if some one destryos my country and kills muslims by the millions (that being USA ) and then me taking revenge (terrorists) , whose the real terrorist ?
and what was that all about the brain dead arabs … ???