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<~~ Doesn’t understand the need to defend or make excuses for those [terrorists] that participate in acts designed with deliberate intent of killing and maiming innocent civilians.

Excuses have been…

Palestine.

Iraq sanctions.

Afghanistan.

War in Iraq.

Support of Saudi rulers.

Support of the Shah.

Goes on and on.

Kidnapping, attacks on civilians.

Pre-Afghanistan acts include:

1996

11 February
Bahrain
A bomb exploded at the Diplomat Hotel in Manama, injuring a British guest and two employees and causing significant damage to the hotel. The London-based Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain claimed the bombing, but later denied responsibility.

27 March
Algeria
Armed Islamic Group (GIA) extremists kidnapped seven French monks from their monastery in the Medea region. On 26 April the GIA offered to free the monks in exchange for the release of GIA members held in France. On 21 May the group stated that they killed the monks in response to the French Government’s refusal to negotiate with them.

25 June
Saudi Arabia
A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the US military’s Khubar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 US military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 US personnel.
Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack, which remains under investigation.

11 September
Iraq
Kurdish refugees seized nine UN employees near Sairanbar. A World Food Program official, a UNICEF official, and a UNHCR employee were among those taken. A crowd of refugees demonstrating near the UN offices seized the workers as thousands chanted anti-US slogans and threw rocks at UN employees. The refugees later released all the hostages.

1997
2-13 January
United States
A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, DC; New York City; London, United Kingdom; and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.

23 February
United States
A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the “enemies of Palestine.”

12 November
Pakistan
After the conviction of Mir Aimal Kansi, two unidentified gunmen shot to death four US auditors from Union Texas Petroleum and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the US Consulate in Karachi. The Aimal Secret Committee, or Aimal Khufia Action Committee, also claimed responsibility in a letter to Pakistani newspapers.

17 November
Egypt
Al-Gama’at al-Islamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor. Thirty-four Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one French, one Colombian, a dual-national Bulgarian/Briton, and four unidentified persons were among the dead. Twelve Swiss, two Japanese, two Germans, one French, and nine Egyptians were among the wounded. The IG militants left a leaflet at the scene calling for the release of Umar Abd al-Rahman, the IG spiritual leader imprisoned in the United States.

23 December
Pakistan
Unidentified assailants fired shots at the teachers’ residential compound of the Karachi American School, wounding one Frontier Constabulary guard. The compound is home to nine US citizen and six Canadian teachers and is one block from the school compound in a neighborhood with seven other consulate residences. The guard post has been in place since the 12 November murders of four Union Texas Petroleum employees.

15 April
Somalia
Multiple media sources reported that militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu. The hostages included a US citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen are members of a subclan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controls the northern section of the capital. On 24 April the hostages were released unharmed, and no ransom was paid.

Other actions can be found:

Do you think that those who instigate or participate in such activities won power over Afghanistan, Iraq, etc… that they would become benign rules? Do you not think such men by their own example would use the same tactics against anyone who dare disagree with them?

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y everybody has problems with muslims only?

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This stuff has nothing to do with who did what to whom and when.

It is all about power. The West, and specifically the US has power. Power, wealth, sophistication and leadership. Radical political Islam sees 1.2 billion Muslims, and they believe they are entitled to power. They see a Muslim world with poverty, ignorance, corruption, and very little power. The countries with oil wealth squander this gift, and provide no true leadership.

So rather than look inward they create reasons for failure. Suddenly a handshake from Rumsfeld has miraculous powers to effect the entire region as if 50 million Muslims have no free will. 14 million Jews worldwide suddenly become omnipotent enemies capable of thrwarting 1.2 million Muslims daily. Muslim radicals then fantasize that a world wide Islamic state is the cure, despite absolutely no evidence that this style of governance has ever succeeded in improving the lives of Muslim. Buying that particular lottery ticket seems easier than building from the ground up and competing in the world.

So the Islamic radicals settle for giving a bloody nose to the powerful. 9/11 was the first punch, suprising and brutal. Each successive punch is less suprising, and less effective. Moreover the US decided to punch back, not just a swat but blow after blow. At the end of the day should Muslims be proud of this fight? Has it made lives better, given the Muslim people pride?

No. Despite the blood, these attacks are bee stings. They will not topple a government or provide a definative improvement to the conditions in the Muslim world. And there is the chance that ruthless and brutal attacks in the name of religion can harm the religion.

Lashing out in anger will not bring power.

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This is so silly! Did the new reporter say that 3 white christian american citizens died? Of course American news is going to cover news that concerns Americans.

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arey every countries tv channel does the same.now due to london blsts indian channels always bringing out the khairiyat of indians living there

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when did 2 wrongs make a right? okay so israeli forces are idiotic and their handling of palestinians is brutal at best. How does that justify killing a college student in Putney? huh?

Guerilla warfare..or gurilla as it may be spelled in dubai, is against military installations, not against innocent people. now tomorrow if some self declared defender of UK safty comes in and blows your family up, would you consider it a justified gorilla warfare?

you..should hear yourself…on a second thought.. ignore that.. no one really deserves to hear your garbage..not even you.

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Yup man, some people were idiotic in the way they knocked over a couple of towers, how does that justify killing 100 000 babies in Afghanistan and Iraq? huh?

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This myth has successfully poisoned the Muslim mind throughout the Arab countries.

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Yet the new stories are written about in indy media in the west? :o

And the latest is this one in the mainstream media

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=187378

So where’s the poison other than for innocent human life and the Isaelis are always mixed up in this.

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arey 9/11 never happened.there was no building called wtc as such.:smiley:

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So in your opinion the U.S. should have done nothing after 9/11 Thap?

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Your country shot down an Iranian airliner killing hundreds of innocents. I guess you would no object if Iran took retaliatory action against America and it’s interests for that barbaric terrorist outrage?

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A transparent investigation like many families that lost members demanded would be a good start. I hope the Brits go about it the right way.

Find the culprit, find the causes then deal with them, bombing the shiit out of two countries killing 100 000's of innocents didn't do any good did it?

Maybe the war is unwinnable, because just maybe it's not being fought against a specific enemy but against an unspecific threat.

Who does stand to gain by all these bombings which stir up public opinion to carry on this war against unspecific threats?

It's all about justice UTD. Not some wonky website that admits to the bombing then mis-spells the Quran!

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After multiple embassy bombings, the Cole bombing, the WTC attacks, the Pentagon attack the U.S. responded by demanding Bin Laden be turned over, Taliban refused and war was declared.

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<~~~ inexcusable to try to justify acts of terror.

West and East both have lists of wrongs against each other.

Takes courage to overcome anger and find a way to solve the problems.

Courage is what it will take to refrain from commiting acts of revenge.

The most courageous leader in my book is the one who says...

Enough is enough.

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Why does something a Muslim does turn into a terrorist act and something that George Bush does is some**** to do with the war against terror.

A muslim kills a couple of american soldiers they are terrorsits. American bombs kill elderly and women and their soldiers rape Muslim women , and they are the effects of the warr on Terror.

Bombing a wedding party in Afghanistan was justified. Millions died in Iraq was justified, thousands die in Africa is justified, Israel’s killing of INNOCENT Children are justified, Muslims attacking is terrorism.

The British government should be responsible for whats hapeneing over there. You expect the muslims to do nothing while their brothers and sisters are being killed by the english or the americans.

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BTW , more than 22, 000 Civilians were killed , INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND ELDERLY , in the Iraq war. and guess what , an estimated only 13,000- 45,000 iraqi soldiers were killed .. All were Muslims ..

so whats the ratio 2 soldiers to 1 civilian at the most .

umm ... we are the terrorists ???

22,000 is the least figure i could find . Estimates are far more than that.

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killing 100,000’s of civillians is going to cause a whole load of generations after revenge!

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Ahhh.. an eye for an eye. It has been so effective for you to date.

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Looks like some right wing nutters just don't get it do they oh well let the killing continue unabated then!