Attacks Justified ?

Its time we think we think about why all these “terrorist” attacks are taking place , by whom and why ?

My Name’s Ahmed , I’v lived in Dubai all my life going to Pakistan for vacations almost every year . Alhamdullilah I’m a Muslim .( Just a short background)

This being my first post on these forums, i would really like to call your attention to the current crisis the Muslims are in and their subsequent affect on human civilization.

In regards, to the London attacks, it would have come to most people as "shocking ..and horrific " and words like "innocent lives , Al-Qaida , fundamentalists … " would often be used.

I have seized to be shocked and mesmerized by these terrorst attacks. I have learned to think rationally about them , think and apply logical reasoning to these attacks.

The attacks i am talking about are those made by the USA and British Governments at the Muslims. Not puny attacks which kill 30 or 5 or a 100 ppl by Islamic ‘radicals’ and 'Fundamentalists" but those which have literally cripled entire nations like Iraq and Sudan and Somalia and Pakistan .

How many did those Muslims , if they are Muslim as being stated by the British Govt., kill today lets say around a hundred ..

Well how about this , More than 1.3 million Iraqi have died because of the decade-old devastating U.N. embargo.

Millions killed in Sudan and Rwanda and Somalia and … see .. it doesn’t even affect us now .. Muslims being killed aren’t of any importance, doesn’t even make us Muslims wonder about ..well … anything .. except that probably your getting late for a movie ..

My argument here is not justifying or accusing or blaming the Muslims or the Western Governments. I want you all to think , clearly , without hatred , without love, without influnce , about who is wrong.

Imagine this, you have a brother . You really love him play cricket with him everyday . A sister whom you give gifts on her birthday, take her to shopping , pick her drop her . Your father . Your MOTHER . or Wait. There is this Bilal (imaginery) who has the above family. His mom tell him to go get rotee for the family and while he’s away , a “stray” bomb from those fu#@ing american or British or French or italian planes hits his house and kills his whole family. Guess what, he can’t do nothing about it .

But think again , When this Bilal sees this happening every where in this world in the name of Fight against terror , what does he do. Can’t do anything officialy cause his government is a Marxist puppet and would not do anything to “jeopardize” the country so will not retalitate.

So This Bilaal goes and meets a few others whose sisters’s have been raped , brothers torn apart , uncles being inhumanely tortured in american “prisons” (ofcourse they are not concentration camps, just plain old prisons where Muslims have been tortured for 3 years , keept in solitary confinement and not charged with anythin ) father whose head was blown of from a bullet from point-blank range in front of his eyes , his mother thrown from the house which was dimolished , .. and the likes ..

So what he does , becuase he has no one else in life , and has anger and hatred and rage and fury against those who did this to him goes and blows him self up , or plants a bomb in a bus . This ifcourse being labeled as a Muslim fundamentalist whose only aim was to terrorize and take innocent lives.

Let me remind you muslim brothers and sisters, the Greater Jihad is againt’s a man’s own liking and lusts and the lesser Jihad is that with the sword.

US airplanes bombard cities like its the target zone and they are practising , and in tanks playing heavy metals music and killling all that moves and that which does not and those foot soldiers, they’r the best , capture people , strip them naked , search them hit them , lay them on the floor , laugh at them and in the end shoot them or lock em up.

Have you noticed in most news channels whenever theres a crisis or an incident they allways have to mention the number or british and american ciitizens who died , like if a small ship goes down with 50 passengers , the reporter in the end would probably say that 50 are missing anog them 3 were american citizens , well american citizens , you guys SUCK !
Cause its you and and your self who are responsible for your own deaths, not us muslims , not your governments ( oh by the way did you guys notice that he got re eleceted who with his father killed more than a mililon muslims ). We muslims can bear , we don’t play games like doom and counter strike and take a gun to school and think life’s a game and shoot up our teachers and friends. We don’t marry to divorce, we don’t have same sex marriage ( hey Spain , congratz , wellcome to hell ) . .. we are not the terrorists, you are .

You Guys have killed INNOCENT People. People in Iraq and Iran and Saudi and Pakistan and Afghanistan and Africa .

Guys are you really surprised by these attacks. Those you think these were just waiting to happen , and a thousand more like there . Weren’t we forced to do it ?Almost challenged to ? Haven’t we had enough ? Or are you guyz ( guyz = guyz and girlz ) just ok with things like your muslim brothers being killed and sisters …

And hey , btw , those Muslim brotehrs locked up in Guantemal (whateer the name is ) prison … have you even thought about them , imagin being locked up in a dark room for a day , now multiply that 300 hundred times .. and they certainly don’t get chicken biryani to eat over there :s .. they are tourtured and beaten and … OH MY GOD …
Allahu Akbar , May Allah bring relief to those prisoners .

Guys wake up , Those guys took over two of our countries , 2 GOD DAMN COUNTRIES … WE DID NOTHING , none of us did nothing , our governments did nothing , our Religious ppl did nothing , I DID NOTHING .

Let me remind you i am not justifying or critising the attacks, just telling you Harsh realities , and let me remind you the Greater Jihad is that of the Nafz , of controling your conscious , and not that of the sword.

Guyz , frankly , how do you feel about the current crisis we are in , and should us muslims be doing these attacks , or are these muslims , or are the ones killed really innocent people ?

I remember seing a video or video stills from about a year ago from Palestine , in which a father was trying to protect his son from israli forces behind a dumbster , he was unarmed crying , the child, .. well you can imagine that .. he was shot at .. killed . The child was shot in the head , in front of his fathers eyes .. and yet We are the terrorists. 18 months old toddlers are being shot and once again we are the terrorsits . Hospitals and shelters and being bombed and we are the terrorists .

Are we the terrorists ?

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welcome to Gupshup, I'm sure you'll fit right in. We don't have enough threads talking about the issue of who the "real terrorists" are.

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"Guys are you really surprised by these attacks. Those you think these were just waiting to happen , and a thousand more like there . Weren't we forced to do it ?Almost challenged to ?"

BTW Naasty boy, in case you didn't hear, the evil jews are responsible for the bombings in London this morning. You see, they benefitted from it. I won't believe that muslims are responsible until someone shows me the proofs.

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Its not about blaming or being blamed at. As far as we know , all the Jews evacuated the WTC before the planes hit. ALL .. and i mean ALL the Passports of the hijakers were recovered from the site where the temperature reached such paramount degrees to melt steel .

The Jews are evil, they were meant to be .
And sometimes even i wonder, isn't it all quite humorous now, that everything that happens, is done by " a group connected to Al Qaida" its like , no duh .

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And all we know they could be from French Nationalists who don't want the Olympics to e held in London because they lost to them in the bid for the Olympics.

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I like how he says that "Those guys took over two of our countries". Who is the our, Shiites or Sunnis?

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How about thinking Two of our coutries as Muslim countried rather than even further dividing them.
Or wait .. does it really matter if it were a shia country or a sunni country. Or is it that the Shia should not give a Damn about the Sunni being attacked or Vice Versa ?

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Hey that’s pretty good. But they will have to be “Jewish French Nationalists” to fly in muslim circles.

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Israelis died in the WTC attacks dumbass. Patches from the uniforms of the astronauts killed in the space shuttle Columbia disaster were also recovered.

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But no black boxes from the flights that crashed into WTC on 911? Muslimed died in the WTC attacks as well…

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^ why do you even entertain such rationalizations UTD. Blame displacement is the raison d'etre for this type of person. Every thing is someone else's fault. God forbid he gets a flat tire, did you know my friend Josh Werner owns shares in Bridgestone? uh oh

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Muslims die in every single attack these terrorists commit, so that means nothing. Neither does the ‘who benefits’ argument because NOTHING these terrorists have done has benefited Musilms. I guess their sick, twisted minds can’t comprehend things like logic.

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Listen Buddy , i was just replying to Stu , that “eveil Jews” are responsible for the london attacks, cause if thats that then only one jew was killed on september the 11th attacks .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories_(claims_about_Jews_and_Zionists)

As for the unforms bit, as i said before , all the passports were recovered , and none of the planes parts ( anypart of fuselage , wheels wings black box , ANTYGIN) was recovered .

Again those are all theories and not the point of my discussion.

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i agree with u that nothings these “terrorsits” have done have benefitted the muslims. although we did loose 2 countries , lots of money , dignity , respect and are now with the USA or Against them.

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naasty

just shut up and get lost. My home town was attacked and had my brother not been vacationing like the globe trotter that he is, he would have been right in the blast as its his usual commute route.

why is it so black and white for your type... just because israeli forces have handled palestinians in an idioptic way, its okay for someone to go attack civilians in other countries.

If Al qaeda had real balls they would go and fookin fight in israel in broad day light and like men, not like little sons o bitchez blowing up innocent ppl..

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It is as much (un)justified as an invasion of another country.

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Balls only get you so far, now if they had brains they would get involved in politics.

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Its simple. Killing innocent people - there is no justification. And a whoops we are sorry doesn't make up for it either. Something the americans need to learn.

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appears they have niether…and if they have any they should be shot off anyways..

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Its called Gurilla Warfare friend. Its not about fighting Kafir in broad daylight . And hey , " just because israeli forces have handled palestinians in an idioptic way" WTF is that suppose to mean . You to scared **** to accept reality . IDIOTIC WAY .. Man you’r something. Killing baby’s and infants and girls for you is handling people in an idiotic way, sheesh , you should hear your self.
Or are you so self centred to be concerned about others. ?