Attack on pindi madressa

[Sheeda_Pistol_1]

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Killings cannot be justified by saying since* A has pushed *B to the brink thus* B* should expect some retaliation. A condemnable act remains a condemnable act.

In this case the community that is hiding these culprits should produce them in front of the law enforcement themselves or else the hatred will continue in the form of exploding suicide belt somewhere after the curfew is all done and over with.

[bao_bihari]

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ALi need your comment on firing on masjid and the videos i shared of the way matam is done in front of sunni masajid. Who is culprit in this scenario?

[TLK]

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With all due respect to both Shia and Sunnis, there are shar pasands on both sides. If Shias on purpose stopped in front of the mosque, (which is very likely as I have seen that in Karachi that the route was on purpose picked to pass in front of core sunni mosques), then they should've thought better.

On the other hand according to Janjua39, Shaheed Namazi were waiting (at 3 PM) in the mosque to wait for the juloos to pass so they can 'peacefully' go home!! Peacefully my arse. According to Islamic Finder, Zuhr happens at 11:54 AM and Asr (Hanafi) at 3:25 PM in Rawalpindi. What the heck those Namazi were doing in the mosque at 3 PM? They were waiting for the Juloos to come so they can take Pungaa .. which unfortunately resulted in the death of their own people.

And please, if you are sunni or Shia, please accept that you are no Parsaa. Stop acting holier than thou. You religious fanatics are killing this nation which was ironically founded on the name of religion. Shame on you. Shame Shame.

[bao_bihari]

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Just try to use the same attitude when some shia is killed due to some tabbara,

Point is killing should not justified from either side. i have always condemned when some shia is killed by Lej people , but why it is that difficult for people to unconditionally condemn this.

And brother jumma in taleem quran was late as far as i remember, around 2.30. Moulana ghulam ullah khan was one of those sunni ulema who considered praying zuhr late as afzal. Waisay bhi roads are closed before juloos, and may be these people just stayed there to protect the masjid in case of any event as matam infront of this masjid is always very aggressive and full of tabbarra.

unfortunately my school shia fellows are one of the main organizers at this route so i know this very well.

[muqawwee123]

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@bao_bihari

Normally shias procession uses routes where they can go infront of sunni masajid, what they do is they stop in fornt of masajid and do matam there or some other activity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLTO6sEpP8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-TZutr4kyc

just hear the words they are using

see doing this and that too when jumma prayers were being held then it is very logical imam requested to complete it quickly.

I’m witness of such clashes in my hometown. Yes, it was a common practice by Shia to pass through sunni areas and stop near a deobandi madarsa for longer time and cursing Sahaba. They use to give a feeling that Yazeed’s darbar was in process in the Madarsa and result was clashes (though no casualties). Considering these issues, administration of the town now supervise procession vigilantly and don’t allow the procession to stay in front of Madarsa. They just cross Madarsa (as they didn’t agree to change the route.. Though the alternate route to reach their destination Imam-Bargah is more open and shorter).

The point is if it was known that Madarsa in route of Pindi procession was of SSP or any opposite sect, the procession should have been supervised properly and there should not have been allowed use of loud-speakers either in juloos or in Masjid/Madarsa at the time of procession. Alternate route should be taken in such circumstances and ego like (its our traditional route, we can’t change it to belittle our iman) should not be allowed by authorities at the expense of human lives.

[Ali_Syed]

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ALi need your comment on firing on masjid and the videos i shared of the way matam is done in front of sunni masajid. Who is culprit in this scenario?

Bao, I dont know what really happened there. i was not there, what I have written is the past history of the organization to whom the madrassah belonged. If matam is done in front of mosques (on purpose) I dont support that as well. If tabarra is done infront of mosques, why only the jaloos in Pindi was attacked in whole of Pakistan? Who ever the agressor was needs to be condemned and punished.

[muqawwee123]

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@Sheeda_Pistol

Please remember there was a mosque (Masjid Ghulam Ullah) there as well which was also torched along with the madrassah. These were on top of the so called Madina Market which was also torched.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZKIdk0CAAA7XFF.jpg

my understanding is that when the procession reached there, it was time of Jummah prayers and they stopped to do the matam, apparently the imam of the mosque asked them to wait 10 minutes. When they didnt budge, someone threw bricks either on the crowd or in front of them, some in the crowd confiscated weapons from the police and starting firing… then all hell broke lose. People who were in the mosque for Jummah were waiting for the procession to move along when they were slaughtered.

Islam zinda ho gaya Karbala ke baad :bummer:

[muqawwee123]

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How far is this masjid from that madrassah?

Raja Bazar is like the interior Lahore, where people know each other for decades and are generally tolerant of each others faiths. I am astonished on this event, especially in Raja bazar.

The people in Juloos do not come from the same area. procession contain people from other areas and in case of cities like Pindi, it might include people from nearby villages and towns.

[muqawwee123]

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Well if you keep on pushing a community to the brink then you should expect a backlash at some stage, this is what I am saying. SSP should take steps to avoid these things in the future. If they stop attacking Shias, I am sure they'll respond. At this point of time SSP people are the agressors.

so backlash is justified? If SSP people were involved with the brutalities they are known with pre planning, the situation in Pindi incident would have been different. SSP killers kachi goliyan to nahin khelte? No?

Why media was so irresponsible in reporting the incident that people remained ignorant about what exactly happened at the place?

[Ali_Syed]

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so backlash is justified? If SSP people were involved with the brutalities they are known with per-palnning, the situation in Pindi incident would have been different. SSP killers kachi goliyan to nahin khelte? No?

Why media was so irresponsible in reporting the incident that people remained ignorant about what exactly happened at the place?

mate, I am not condoning it. just stating a human reaction. Why did the situation reach this place in the first place?

[Ali_Syed]

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What ever I wrote were my experiences, I have seen Shia-Sunni riots in Punjab in the 90's, thats why I have been commending the Shias for their restraint. They have shown restraint for a very long time. The day they start responding equally we will get indulged in a bloody civil war which will not be good for anyone.

[jasos]

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@Jolie

You know Pakistan is in such a big bloody mess because every Tom, Dick, Harry has it’s own version of justice. You will never ever find peace in the country unless and until people just freaking stop celebrating street violence and bloodshed. It’s sickening. This whole -in the words of our dear friend muqawee - tera kutta kutta mera kutta tommy hypocrisy has to stop.

Bloody idiots, they think they’re doing Islam and Muslims a huge favour by filling streets with blood? Sorry people who support such slaughter are as bad as Taliban. Such people must not be tolerated in a civilised society. They just like Taliban have similar appetite for violence, it’s just they use slightly different labels for their victims.

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@Ali_Syed

Well if you keep on pushing a community to the brink then you should expect a backlash at some stage, this is what I am saying. SSP should take steps to avoid these things in the future. If they stop attacking Shias, I am sure they’ll respond. At this point of time SSP people are the agressors.

Only SSP baqi Sipah-e-Muhammad to safeed parcham thamay sub kay gallay katiti phiray sorry i mean galay lagati phir rahi hay .. shabash kia khoub baat key hay noble prize aap ka howa

[Shamraz_Khan]

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So, who shaheed and show is not in this case? Btw, this is why religion should be a personal matter inside place of worship not on public streets.

[jasos]

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@Ali_Syed

mate, I am not condoning it. just stating a human reaction. Why did the situation reach this place in the first place?

Bhai tou phki taliban aur khud kash hamla karnay waloon ko bhi aap support karain na :cobra: kia yah khula tazad naheen hay

[bao_bihari]

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@Ali_Syed

What ever I wrote were my experiences, I have seen Shia-Sunni riots in Punjab in the 90’s, thats why I have been commending the Shias for their restraint. They have shown restraint for a very long time. The day they start responding equally we will get indulged in a bloody civil war which will not be good for anyone.

They are not showing any restraint. they are killing sunnis from day one only that media do not highlight this same like yesterdays event. infact only a small group in sunnis Lej believe in violent attacks, if the situation gets worsed and others gets into this , it will be much worse then you think.

Ali, so what should be done with people responsible for firing on masjid(as per video you posted) and killing innocent people and children. Do you justify their action?

Taleem ulquran is not a madressa of sipah e sahaba, it is just that some times they go and deliver a speech their, taleem ul quran belong to part of deobandis who consider Prophet:saw2: dead in his grave so they are called mamatees and major deobandis have disagreement with them over this.

it was not even SSp madressa, rather as it was expected that there will be some thing pre planned attack on madressa (reason why tabbarra was started)and thats why some people were there, (as per what i have heard).

maktaba rasheediya which was one of the biggest islamic book store in pindi was also burned along with several qurans and ahadith books.

[TLK]

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My apologies Bao. I am not trying to blame the death of those people on themselves. I am talking in general. But the fact is this that during Moharram, both sides are openly looking for pungaas.

I remember that on Chaleeswan, Sunni also take their juloos out in karachi. And the route was such that both juloos would pass the same section of MA Jinnah road. I am not sure how administration used to manage the timings, but it was so obvious that both sides were just looking for an opportunity to clash.

[jasos]

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So, who shaheed and show is not in this case? Btw, this is why religion should be a personal matter inside place of worship not on public streets.

Exactly Loud Speakers should be banned and only use for Azan either they are shia or sunni .... i was just reading this post on facebook .....

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راولپنڈی میں آج جو حالات پیدا ہوئے وہ سب جانتے ہیں بس اللہ کی پناہ ہے، استغفراللہ
اس کے بعد اگر ہم خود میں اتنی سی ترمیم کر لیں کہ ماتمی جلوس اگر صرف امام بارگاہوں تک محدود کر دیے جائیں تو کیا مضائقہ ہے؟ اور اگر نہیں تو گورنمنٹ کو چاہیے کہ شیعہ بھائیوں کو کوئی مخصوص جگہ الاٹ کر دیں جہاں وہ 10 محرم کو اپنی سرگرمیاں جاری رکھ سکیں تو کیا برا ہے؟[/urdu]

[bao_bihari]

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So, who shaheed and show is not in this case? Btw, this is why religion should be a personal matter inside place of worship not on public streets.

agree on the bolded part, we need ban on juloos be it of any sect on roads.

make life easier for public by banning these juloos.

[bao_bihari]

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My apologies Bao. I am not trying to blame the death of those people on themselves. I am talking in general. But the fact is this that during Moharram, both sides are openly looking for pungaas.

I remember that on Chaleeswan, Sunni also take their juloos out in karachi. And the route was such that both juloos would pass the same section of MA Jinnah road. I am not sure how administration used to manage the timings, but it was so obvious that both sides were just looking for an opportunity to clash.

agreed both sides should stop, any one without sectarian bias will not support any killing like this, be it shia or sunni. i have very strong sentiments against aqaidh of certain sects but it is always at this level we should always be able to see our faults.

Although we may disagree on most of the occasions, i respect the way you engage in discussions.

[jasos]

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@bao_bihari

They are not showing any restraint. they are killing sunnis from day one only that media do not highlight this same like yesterdays event. infact only a small group in sunnis Lej believe in violent attacks, if the situation gets worsed and others gets into this , it will be much worse then you think.

Ali, so what should be done with people responsible for firing on masjid(as per video you posted) and killing innocent people and children. Do you justify their action?

Taleem ulquran is not a madressa of sipah e sahaba, it is just that some times they go and deliver a speech their, taleem ul quran belong to part of deobandis who consider Prophet:saw2: dead in his grave so they are called mamatees and major deobandis have disagreement with them over this.

it was not even SSp madressa, rather as it was expected that there will be some thing pre planned attack on madressa (reason why tabbarra was started)and thats why some people were there, (as per what i have heard).

maktaba rasheediya which was one of the biggest islamic book store in pindi was also burned along with several qurans and ahadith books.

baqi aap key inn baton ka asar naheen ho ga keonkah

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اگر ایک امام بارگاہ کے باہر پٹاخہ بھی پھوٹ جاءے تو سارا میڈیا رائ کا پہاڑ بنا دیتا ہے اور میڈیا بات کا بتنگڑ نہ بناے تو اہل تشیع حضرات انفرادی سلوک کی دہائ دیتے نظر آتے ہیں، مگر آج راولپنڈی کے واقعے پر سب کو کیوں موت آگئ؟؟ پاکستانی میڈیا نے کیوں چپ سادھ رکھی ہے؟؟ یہ سارے لبرل اور سیکولر کہاں مرے بیٹھے ہیں؟؟؟
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