Re: Attack on pindi madressa
This is exactly what happened on 10th of Muharram in 1983 in Karachi - the ongoing Gohdra incident of sectarian violence led to burning of shia Imambargh in Liaqatabad with scores of shias killed there - upon hearing the new the shias of main procession started marching towards Liaqautabad from the city - they were stopped by police at Guru Mandir but then they torched several shops over there.
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So, who shaheed and show is not in this case? Btw, this is why religion should be a personal matter inside place of worship not on public streets.
This is not the question of public streets or inside places.
These people have killed people while going to work or while in the market.
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It is clear why it is happening. One group curses the Sahaba and the other group responds, disproportionately. I had heard Shia's curse the Sahaba but those that said it I suspected had a bias. Now people on this forum say it as well. I am not in any way saying this violence against the Shia community is acceptable as words should be battled with words.
If the case of Shia people cursing the Sahaba is true then why do they do this? Why cant they stop? There is some quite clear differences and controversies which no one is willing to address and want to bury under the carpet hoping it will go away. There is no real debate about the reality of the sectarian differences. I do not know many Shias personally but like with any religion we gloss over our controversies so if I asked them I am sure they would give me the answer I would love to hear.
I personally do not agree with these processions - why any one wants to walk around a city beating themselves, spilling blood, creating quite a horrid smell (the latter from what I have experienced) is any body's guess? I wanted to watch one 10 years ago but I missed the procession but arrived at a street with the potholes full of blood. I would not want that anywhere near my house.
If the procession is deliberately going past a Sunni mosque and stopping there, then the Sunnis should not take the bait! They should ignore it as the people will have to move on eventually. If the Sunnis start abusing then the Shias should not take the bait and think we are better than this. Restraint from both sides has been necessary.
More has to be done to tackle the militant groups and their access to arms. SSP, LEJ etc need to have their power links cut.
The reality is there are quite a few Muslim sects out there and some have probably stepped out of the fold of Islam. The differences within the sects are quite huge and the practises seem contrary to the Quran and Hadith. They cannot all be Muslim frankly. It appears since the 70's extremists in both Sunni and Shias are pushing the sides apart. The questions you ask cannot be asked without asking questions such as "why do some Sunnis consider Shias such that they want to kill them?", "do Shias really curse the Sahaba?", "who made SSP/LEJ the custodians of Islam?" "how do the practises and beliefs differ of the two?" There are many questions I want answered to and without an open debate these issues will not go away.
What I find odd is that we have debates on these issues every time something bad happens, but one no one asking is why is this happening? A country that was founded to Muslims...than why are Muslims killing each other? What went wrong? And more importantly, what is being d one to fix it? Why are we not have honest self reflection? What is the underlying cause for all this?
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Re: Attack on pindi madressa
It is clear that some Shias have a hatred for Deobandis and feel the need to rub it in their faces.
It was not a deobandi madressah, it was a Sipahe Sahaba madressah. There is a difference between a person whose sole purpose is to kill in the name of religion and a sunni/shia.
That madressah is a known den of Sipahe Sahaba terrorists. And it was spreading thel same hateful propaganda while the procession was passing through there.
If the case of Shia people cursing the Sahaba is true then why do they do this?
BS. If there was any cursing going on that day, it was from that terrorist den which called itself a madressah.
I personally do not agree with these processions -
Who cares what you personally agree with? And while muqawwee won't say it you, why is it even under discussion?
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This is not the question of public streets or inside places. These khawarij have killed people while going to work or while in the market.
Is this the topic under discussion? Don't you think that this Khwarji bla bla should not be included in every discussion?
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"England: The country where Pizza gets to your house quicker than the Police"
You live in England and you are declaring some groups or sects as non-muslims!
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It was not a deobandi madressah, it was a Sipahe Sahaba madressah. There is a difference between a khariji whose sole purpose is to kill in the name of religion and a sunni/shia. That madressah is a known den of Sipahe Sahaba terrorists. And it was spreading thel same hateful propaganda while the procession was passing through there.
One thing this incident has done is to expose supporters of khawarij here on paklinks.
You know it was SSP madarsa upto these acts and authorities were sleeping to allow procession through these sensitive areas.
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Is this the topic under discussion? Don't you think that this Khwarji bla bla should not be included in every discussion?
No it is not under discussion. My post was in response to Shamraz's post.
And while you are telling ME what is under discussion, why can't you see what Himalya is saying? Is that the topic too?
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That khariji stuff is not blah blah but reality. Don't you know what Sipahe Sahaba is all about? It is nothing but a terrorist organization which has even been banned by the government. This organization along with Taliban, Lashkar e Jhangvi, etc. is responsible for the destruction of Pakistan.
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and we remain divided - we cant even condemn an act of violence without taking sides!
what happened was really unfortunate, and if its true that Shias really instigated this, then it's really sad, as it goes against the teachings of Prophet Muhammad SAW Grandson and what he stood for. It just defeated the purpose of this procession then. On the other hand, it is also very much possible that folks in madressah initiated this,** Shias claimed people from these madressah raised yazeedi naras and started aerial fighting, and police didn't intervene. not that it justifies what happened! **
and also, as many of us are aware, many of LEJ terrorists plots were foiled right before 9th and 10th of muharram across Pakistan. so it could be pre-planned as well, perhaps, riot/burning of shops was not done by sunnis/shias but rather by people associated with these banned outfits.
However, having said all this, It shouldn't have escalated to this extent. I completely hold our law enforcement responsible for not intervening and defusing the situation sooner.
If it was a deobandi Madarsa, then rest assured that no one in Deo-Bandi school of thoughts favors actions of Yazeed. Yazeedi Nara is just an excuse here to hide the facts. If Deo-Bandi school of thought favored Yazeed, we don't have book 'Khilafat o mamollokiyat' written by Molana Mododi ( A Deo-Bandi scholar). The book is considered authentic in Shia circles.
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No it is not under discussion. My post was in response to Shamraz's post.
And while you are telling ME what is under discussion, why can't you see what Himalya is saying? Is that the topic too? ction That khariji stuff is not blah blah but reality. Don't you know what Sipahe Sahaba is all about? It is nothing but a terrorist organization which has even been banned by the government. This organization along with Taliban, Lashkar e Jhangvi, etc. is responsible for the destruction of Pakistan.
First prove with authentic sources that it was SSP Madarsa. Then bring this Khwarji debate here. Its really futile exercise to bring Khwarjis in every thread to derail discussion and avoiding condemnation of acts of those culprits.
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You know it was SSP madarsa upto these acts and authorities were sleeping to allow procession through these sensitive areas.
Yes. They should have not allowed that terrorist den to be built in the first place. This organization was banned because it has been involved in terrorism against innocent people. If it is a banned organization then it should be banned in reality and not just in paper.
Now you need to tell accept that you accused me WRONGLY and you need to now tell this to Himalaya about whatever unnecessary stuff he has been posting.
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Yes. They should have not allowed that terrorist den to be built in the first place. This organization was banned because it has been involved in terrorism against innocent people. If it is a banned organization then it should be banned in reality and not just in paper.
Prove it it was an SSP Madarsa? Otherwise, you are just adding insult to the injuries of those who lost their lives in the incident.
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So the terrorists killed their own people and destroyed their own madrassa?
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So the terrorists killed their own people and destroyed their own madrassa?
to malign the others?
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So the terrorists killed their own people and destroyed their own madrassa?
Who said that?
They were blurting out their usual tirade against shias and Imam Hussain while eulogizing Yazid, while the procession was passing through there.
They got the response from some hot-headed people in the procession. Probably they were those who were the relatives of those people who died from Taliban/SSP/LJ fasad in Pakistan.
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Prove it it was an SSP Madarsa? Otherwise, you are just adding insult to the injuries of those who lost their lives in the incident.
Muqawwee, you obviously have not read this thread since the beginning.
It has been proven in the first or second page. There are several youtube videos posted where SSP mullahs were giving lectures in that madressah. There are also several old facebook comments confirming it.
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Ali, it probably is directed towards me.
I am not calling anyone khariji or terrorist here in this thread. You know that.
I am only replying to those people who are accusing shias in general instead of discussing the topic at hand. For example, people are saying that processions should be stopped, or shias hate deobandis, or shias curse sahaba, etc.
Nothing of this is about discussion at hand. These are mere allegations and abuses.