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Now if some "hot headed" loon from the other side tries to seek revenge from Shias coz he also lost family members in the disgusting fasaadi mob attack, would you use this ridiculous and nonsensical term "dark justice" to approve that sort of violence and material destruction?
Ladies and gentleman, now you know you can never have peace in Pakistan. I think this thread has exposed quite a few faces.
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Muqawwee, you obviously have not read this thread since the beginning. It has been proven in the first or second page. There are several youtube videos posted where SSP mullahs were giving lectures in that madressah. There are also several old facebook comments confirming it.
I can't see videos. My point is if it was that known fact then why authorities allow procession and that too at the time of Juma prayers.
Look, can Karachi administration allow a Muharram procession in front of Nagin Chorangi Madarsa (known to everyone as SSP influenced area)?
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Now the some "hot headed" loon from the other side people seek revenge from Shias coz they also lost family members in the disgusting fasaadi mob attack. Would you use this ridiculous and nonsensical term "dark justice" to approve that sort of violence?
That is the difference. Those 'hot heads' from procession did not go after any common deobandi or barelvi or ahmedi or christian. They went to that terrorist den and members of a banned organization.
But these people will go after and kill innocent people among shia (or even sunni) communities who would have nothing to do with it.
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Sheikh Raheed's press conference on the matter.
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Why is a procession a problem in the first place? Didn’t you say yourself that earlier sunnis used to put sabeel for mourners in procession?
If you can’t see videos then at least you can read what I posted confirming that it was SSP madressah. Nobody here denied it.
**Reposting post no. 11:
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Here is a comment which confirms this building’s links with Sipah e Sahaba khariji extremists.
rawalpindi :AAJ Quaid Sipah E Sahaba aLLama Muham…](NameBright - Coming Soon)
rawalpindi :AAJ Quaid Sipah E Sahaba aLLama Muhammad Ahmad Ludhyanvi sahb Jamia TaLeEmuL quran Raja Bazar Mayn Juma ParhaEn Gay news.
2 years ago via SMS
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One more link confirming that it is a Sipah e Sahaba madressah.
Sipah E Shabah Ulama E Deoband · 640 like this
May 2 at 9:20pm ·
**Aj 3 May Madh-e-Sahaba"RA" Mutalbati Raliyan; Iftitah Bad Az Jumma KHI; Lasbela Chowk ISB; Lal Masjid RWP; Taleem-Ul-Quran Raja Bazar
Reposting post no. 18. If you can’t watch video then read the comment I have below. These are not my comments . Rather they have been taken from youtube.
Hayaat e Suhada by Allama Ali Shir Haddri (R A) in Markaz e Hazrat Shaikh ul Quran Maulana Gulamullah khan (R A)** Taleem ul Quran Raja Bazar Rawalpindi**,
**Reposting post no. 26:
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Azam Tariq, a Sipah e Sahaba leader, used to give sermons in that madressah Taleem ul Quran.
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Uploaded on Jan 5, 2011
Tahffuz -e-Namoos-e-Risalat Raily -Maulana MOAVIAH AZAM TARIQ
beyaan in Jamia Taleem ul Quran .Raja Bazar Rawalpindi
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Boht jald jaaga Laal Haweli ka sher 
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Why is a procession a problem in the first place? Didn't you say yourself that earlier sunnis used to put sabeel for mourners in procession?
to avoid conflict. You are getting my point?
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It is clear that the authorities did not do their job and let this incident happen. At the same time Shias need to see that they take out too many processions per year in all the city centres of Pakistan which led to economic losses and then lead to such incidents. They should have the liberty of whatever they do but not to become nuisance for others.
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It is clear that some Shias have a hatred for Deobandis and feel the need to rub it in their faces. Why do they curse Sahaba, who are the companions of the Prophet? I have heard Shias do this but I was in doubt.
It is a about time the authorities grew a spine and said if you are going to be having a procession you take the safe way, even if its longer . A procession full of people cursing some of the main figures revered by Islam is not going to go down well in a country of Muslims who feels it has become the saviour of the religion.** Why do the Shias curse the Sahaba, who most Muslims revere?**
I have many Shia friends and yes they curse Sahaba & Umhat-ul-momneen and if someone deny he is just doing bakwas. A prove, you will never find name Umar, Abu Bakar or Usman in Shia Community. Basically they are Rafzi Shia.
why they curse Sahaba? Ans. According to them Hazrat Ali (R.A) was more eligible to become Khalifa above of Hazrat Umar or other Khulfa even they said (Nauz Billah) He should be Nabi. I've listened this thing from Shia people and this is 100% true.
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I can't see videos. My point is if it was that known fact then why authorities allow procession and that too at the time of Juma prayers.
Look, can Karachi administration allow a Muharram procession in front of Nagin Chorangi Madarsa (known to everyone as SSP influenced area)?
Sheikh Rasheed is saying the same thing that its the complete failure of Rawalpindi administration.
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That is the difference. Those 'hot heads' from procession did not go after any common deobandi or barelvi or ahmedi or christian. They went to that terrorist den and members of a banned organization. But these people will go after and kill innocent people among shia (or even sunni) communities who would have nothing to do with it.
There's is not difference. An act of terrorism is an act of terrorism. Niether Hussaniyat nor Pakistani laws tells you to take laws in your hand and spread violence. How could you find a nerve to justify and approve yesterday's violence? The shias who were also involved in all the fasaad are as much criminal and deplorable as fasadi from the other side of the group. What's stopping you from condemning the violence that has no place in Islam and is totally against the laws of Pakistan and spirit of Muharam? If nothing, just tell me who won from all this? Islam? Pakistan, humanity or shais or your ? You really need to stop your habit of picking and choosing the the type of terrorism and violence you support and justify.
PS: You haven't even proved it that it was indeed a SSP den (not that it still justifies starting a bloody riot)
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A suggestion for Mods to move posts that are inviting separate discussion (why such incidents happen, does Shia people curse Sahaba) to separate thread in respective forums. Though these futile discussions have been carried hundreds of times in past with no results.
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going by ASWJ last tweets, its apparent they wanted to stop the procession and create chaos, as they told people to come to this seminary, which validates what Shias were saying that insults were being hurled at the mourners. However, does that justify killing of those people? Shias should have showed restraint and patience, they should have carried on with their procession, ignoring the insults and the matter should not have escalated! and there would have been no loss of lives. what happened was really unfortunate and what is even more saddening to see instead of condemning regardless of our sect, we are just blaming each other.
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to avoid conflict. You are getting my point?
To avoid conflict one needs to stop people who create conflict. If SSP is banned then keep it a banned organization. Just changing the routes of procession will not work because they create conflicts everywhere.
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The thread going towards where its need to be closed or moved few posts to Religous fourm where that can be discussed. We need to be calm down HERE and in real world!
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I have many Shia friends and yes they curse Sahaba & Umhat-ul-momneen and if someone deny he is just doing bakwas. A prove, you will never find name Umar, Abu Bakar or Usman in Shia Community. Basically they are Rafzi Shia. why they curse Sahaba? Ans. According to them Hazrat Ali (R.A) was more eligible to become Khalifa above of Hazrat Umar or other Khulfa even they said (Nauz Billah) He should be Nabi. I've listened this thing from Shia people and this is 100% true.
Dear muqawwee, where is your advice to jasos regarding what he needs to discuss?
And jasos, if you want religious discussion then go to the appropriate forum.
But as far as my views are concerned, everyone should be tolerant of everyone else. If there are some shias doing it then they are fools as well, and they should stop.
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For 10 long years ASWJ/LEJ and TTP have tried to create a sectarian war in Pakistan, but their designs have been foiled everytime. I hope this flame is doused here, otherwise there will be destruction everywhere. All other conflicts are confined to some areas, this can engulf the whole country.
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going by ASWJ last tweets, its apparent they wanted to stop the procession and create chaos, as they told people to come to this seminary, which validates what Shias were saying that insults were being hurled at the mourners. However, does that justify killing of those people? Shias should have showed restraint and patience, they should have carried on with their procession, ignoring the insults and the matter should not have escalated! and there would have been no loss of lives.
Can you share that tweet?
Yes, people who went after that terrorist den should have shown restraint. They acted foolishly and made themselves criminals. They gave Sipahe Sahaba and its supporters an opportunity to exploit the situation.
This is not what Imam Hussain would have wanted from them.
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راولپنڈی کو حسینیت کے نام نہاد پیروکاروں نے 12 بچے ذبح کرکے کل 25 لوگوں کو قتل کر کے ۔۔ مسجد اور مدرسے کو آگ لگا کے کربلا بنا ڈالا ۔۔
کیا اب بھی کوئی اصلی شیعہ ان نام نہاد شیعوں کی حمایت کرے گا ؟
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To get back to the topic, Pakistan should definitely use the police tactic of kettling to guard the procession and all routes must be carefully reviewed and approved by the authorities.
