Seeing every Tom, Dick and Harry of “Pakistani descent” occupying media space for crazy actions, getting blamed for involvement in terrorism so frequently these days just makes me afraid.
First major part of of Pakistan in blame-game was Iran/Libya nuke support, then after 7/7 Pakistan was blamed for the training of the people who (supposedly) carried out London bombings, then India tried to blame Pakistan for the recent Mumbai bombings. Then another US citizen of Pakistani descent invaded a synagogue in US, thankfully the incident wasn’t played in media for more than 1 day.
Now this recent “terrorist alert” where MI5/6/7 found some plot where “Pakistani-descent” are being included in the game.
If in future God-forbid something does happen or some other terror plot is foiled involving more Pakistanis (or people of Pakistani descent) then what is going to happen?
George Bush doesn’t have much time left in his presidency so once he is gone support of Pakistan may very well be pulled out esp if democrats come into power.
Could world be gathering around Pakistan to giveup everything including nukes? Could Pakistan be attacked to “cleanse the terror training institutes” given that there are lots of Taliban and AlQaida members in Pakistan who are blamed for organizing the terror-training, not to forget Lashkar type organizations. Could foreign troops be forced to enter to carry out the “cleansing”? Is the time that Musharraf bought for Pakistan coming close to be over?
I sincerely hope nothing really happens and it is just false alarm.
If they are not winning in Iraq, Afghanistan or Lebanon.....then don't worry about Pakistan. Pakistan is no small country. Its a regional power in its own right.
ppl of pakistani descent are not Pakistans responsibility, the desi hoodlums who are born and raised in UK, are UK govts responsibility, and it needs to do what it needs to do.
the fact that it took Uk govt decades to go after groups like HT and mohajiroun is not anyone else's problem but UK govts.
There are issues in pak that ned to be solved, problems that have been brewing for decades, thata re now beginning to be tackled. one can not ceate an entire generation of fanatics to use as war fodder against soviet union and then click on the off switch..it takes planning and effort.
Pakistan needs to play its cards right, and do what needed not just for the sake of pleasing world powers etc, but for its own development, intrnal security and future prospects..you dont want to be battling psychos within the country forever.
So far the 21's identity is not disclosed...but I guess they are british citizens...so Pakistan is not responsible for any hilly billy on planet earth...
Pakistan will not be invaded just like that esp given the fact that Pakistan owns good amount of weaponry, ammunition of relatively good technology. It might start off with "sanctions" of all kinds, or starting with unbundling of the nuke plants. etc.
^well unless the yobs came to pakistan to go to some madrissa and get some training etc, in which case UK needs to shut off the groups and individuals who are creating such fanatics and Pakistan needs to shut down such madrissas and camps, which think it had been doing even before 9/11 when the predicent issued orders to shut off many of these extrmist outfits. but Uk needs to do what it can to stop its citizens from being indoctrined by these idiots who show up as imams or run groups like ghuraba and HT
We know that, but when people are fed via media that those people visited Pakistan and got their training, or Pakistan trained "mullahs" work /brain-feed people in UK with 'vast support/infrastucure' base in Pakistan everyone will come to believe that Pakistan is the real root cause of all problems/terrorisms in the world.
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the fact that it took Uk govt decades to go after groups like HT and mohajiroun is not anyone else's problem but UK govts.
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Its true but then again if they have any connection with Pakistan that will be exposed to media and name of "Pakistan" will be in news round the clock.
[quote] There are issues in pak that ned to be solved, problems that have been brewing for decades, thata re now beginning to be tackled. one can not ceate an entire generation of fanatics to use as war fodder against soviet union and then click on the off switch..it takes planning and effort.
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That is what will be the objective of "coalition of the willing" in that case.
We should be thankful that the Pakistani Authorities played a huge role in stopping these planned terror attacks - this shows government is serious about war on terrorism
They need Pakistan on their side so I don't foresee any sanctions. They need to work with Pakistan they cannot afford to alienate it or let it become a failed state...the consequences are not even worth contemplating.
I don't expect any action against Pakistan for next 20-25 years. The neoconic extremists have gotten themselves into a big big big mess and with latest events in israel and lebanon and terrorist threat in their own countries, the war is there and it will take some time before it comes to Pakistan, after Iran and by then it will be too late.
Expect chinese naval base in Gawadar as well as air base somewhere up north. This baby is cooking just fine for now.
It’'s very unlikely that this will lead up to an attack on Pakistan. ISI was involved in this investigation… it’s unlikely that ISI would involve themselves in a scheme that they believe could possibly lead up to an attack on pakistan.
Pakistani intelligence agencies helped the British authorities foil the terror plot to blow up aircraft travelling between Britain and America, highly placed sources in Pakistan said today.
The agencies have been working closely with British anti-terror police in monitoring the activities of the suspected terrorists for some time, many of whom have links with Pakistan-based Islamic militant groups, The Times has learnt.
Not 100% guaranteed, opportunities for all and eeryone having a voice will take timr and would never be 100% there so there will always be the disaffected the disillusioned who are ripe for brainwashing, so we have to work on both fronts, bringing opportunities to all and stopping the madness spread by jahils.
I believe Pakistan also helped pre and post 7/7 but if you remember media's bias against Pakistan, it doesn't matter how much ISI helps it would be considered weightedly against if God-forbid anything happens involving Pakistanis (or of Pakistani descent).
ISI won't help in "lead upto attack" of course, but they won't be able to do much if something disastrous happens and all eyes are at Pakistan in anger.
Good posts. This is what some of us have been saying for a long time. But then you have people who believe that hate against against anyone (Jews, Shias etc.) is ok and armed jihadis are a healthy part of our society. Just like Hezbollah and the other militants have not been good for Lebanon, the Lashkars and Jaishs are not good for us.
I posted this after the mumbai blasts:
"Why are LET and like minded groups even allowed to function in Pakistan in the first place? And there is enough proof out there to know that they still operate training camps. We all know what kind of ideas emanate from these groups that poison our youth, so 5 years after 9/11 we still haven't figured out whether Pakistan needs to follow Osama's dreams or Quaid's dreams. Being on the fence like this is not a solution."