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hmmm this is not a belief thats a blind faith...
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atheists claims are also not falsifiable.
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Yes it is.
People dont see God but believe.
People dont see afterlife but believe.
People dont see seven heavens and hell but believe.
Trust me the list is very long.
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i cant trust, you must convince me...to believe you must understand the logic of it all....and i dont understand the logic of living forever.....im tired of living as it is, why would i want to go on living after im dead.
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What I am trying to say nobody can give a 100% foolproof prove, read my earlier posts in the thread.
People who believe in God cannot prove the existance of God but its only their faith which convinces them.
Their faith cannot convince you or me or anybody else.
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Hello,
Didn't read whole of this thread but by reading most of it, I realized that, no effort is done to define the key term "God" whome atheists are negating and theists are accepting.
In my own view everyone is atheist in this world, because everyone is a disbeliever of atleast one definition of "God". "God" means different to different people. It varies in religions, In scientific circle, In spirituality, and offcourse in philosophy.
Now since different people define "God" differently so they had to show there proof for its existence.
I had seen somewhere in this thread, an opinion that
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"An atheist should refute all the arguments for the existence of God, And even those which will be coming in future then he/she can validly claim that there is no God"
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I don't agree with this statement, It assumes the absoluteness of religion and demands atheist to refute the existence of God absolutely, which is wrong. Because if for refuting absoluteness a person had to refute it absolutely, then it is a kind of demand that to refulte absoluteness you had to provide absoluteness i.e. prove that there is an absoluteness, which is quite obviously wrong.
Actually if someone claims absolutenss then, he had to prove it, rather then demanding from someone else to disprove it absolutely.
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The discussion here is that Theists claim that there is a God who made this universe and everthing in it. So theists have to prove that . Now they have no real proof. Atheists say there is no proof.
I think atheists will admit to some real proof.
It can be either something one can see and testify.You can see, feel, smell, hear.
Now so far there is no proof that anyone has seen, felt, smelled or heard the God except what is written in thousands of years old books which can not be verified or the lunatics who claim every day the talk to the God on daily basis. (These claims are called visual, tactile and auditory hallucinations).
Or it can be something which can not be seen, felt, smelled or heard but can be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Example of such thing is presence of Atoms, or electrons, protons which are proven by scientific experiments but not by human eyes or ears.
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ok light i agree no one can convince anyone....i guess sooner or later we will find out ourselves or not...either way wish you all the best and lets hope we meet up in heaven and not hell
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I think atheists will admit to some real proof.
It can be either something one can see and testify.You can see, feel, smell, hear. Now so far there is no proof that anyone has seen, felt, smelled or heard the God except what is written in thousands of years old books which can not be verified or the lunatics who claim every day the talk to the God on daily basis. (These claims are called visual, tactile and auditory hallucinations).
Or it can be something which can not be seen, felt, smelled or heard but can be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Example of such thing is presence of Atoms, or electrons, protons which are proven by scientific experiments but not by human eyes or ears.
Your post sums it all.
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I C U when you get there. Good luck for your future.
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I think Harun Yahya's books and documentaries on Allah's signs in nature can be very helpful and convincing. Nature's intricate, complicated, and detailed design cannot come into being by an accident.
There is a purpose in everything in the nature - the benefit of mankind. Why is that? Why is man at the top of ecosystem? Nothing gets affected if human race is eliminated. On the other hand, eliminating another living species on the planet eventually affects human beings. Why?
Why do all monotheistic religions bring a similar message?
Why are the Prophets' stories the same in Bible and Quran? Why are Prophets' names the same in Bible and Quran?
From where does one get signs for future in a dream? How come there is a spiritual connection between two human beings?
These are a few questions whose answer leads me to my Allah. There are many many more.
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Hey guys today was an interesting incident to me. This was unbelievable i saw a car, thrown into differents pieces as it arrived near to me it was in complete one piece.
Most fascinating feature was, it navigated me through the usual route I take to my work, avoiding the traffic and dropped me near my office. I was astonished. This is unbelievable, i dont know just thought so how this miracles happen even today.
I know you all wont believe me but this is the truth.
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^ Do u expect people to believe that..:D
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^ Thats the whole point vinesh! Isn't it?
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Thats right,
If you do not believe that the car can make themselves form one single piece of car, so, how do you claim that this well-knitted and marvelous world, with heaven, earth, Man and animal, created itself and its creation happed haphazardly without a creator?!.
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want to say something here,
light travels in space but it is not visible. but when it falls on something, it is visible.
can we take this as an analogy to belief in god. just because we are not seeing light in space, it doesn't mean that light doesn't exist or travel in space. similarly,just because we are not able to feel the omnipresence of god, it doesn't mean that we should not believe in god.
the tricky part is, are we seeing the light or the object on which light falls?
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How can you say that you dont see the light. You do see the light traveling by scientific experiments so it is something which can be proven but the presence of God is a theory which can not be proven.
Now suppose if you claim you are God. How can anyone prove or disprove you are not God. Think of it. it is so ridiculous. If one can prove someone’s claim who is present how can one verify a theory.
You must have heard the joke.
Two inmates in mental hospital were discussing with each other. One claimed that he is a prophet sent from God. The other inmate screamed," Hey, I did not send you down. Don’t lie".
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How can you say that you dont see the light. You do see the light traveling by scientific experiments so it is something which can be proven but the presence of God is a theory which can not be proven.
Now suppose if you claim you are God. How can anyone prove or disprove you are not God. Think of it. it is so ridiculous. If one can prove someone's claim who is present how can one verify a theory.
You must have heard the joke. Two inmates in mental hospital were discussing with each other. One claimed that he is a prophet sent from God. The other inmate screamed," Hey, I did not send you down. Don't lie".
can you scientifically prove why is it in the nature of light to always travel?..light always travels, right?....why?...prove me scientifically why is it so?.
anyway...i didn't get the last analogy. moreover, in my earlier posts i said that i am open to the concept of atheism also...
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If for everything a creator is required then who created the creator and so on... there is no end.
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Can you tell me, your soul is in which form, solid liquid or gaseous.
Give me an answer after someone is dead can you talk to that person. No because his body is mum the soul is taken away.
Tell me the state of this soul. **
**The answer is you dont know, if you dont know about your own soul. How can anyone identify the Divinity of God.
If the argument goes on then infact I believe there has to a beginning somewhere, common this is simple.
Then can i argue who created Adam, there must be some one the frist human came up with.
By the way, it goes on go ahead with a reverse numerical count,
4, 3, 2, 1 and what comes before 1 is nothing thats zero.
Do you get my analogy.