Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
if you believe something does not exist, you are required to disprove all proofs that it does exists. that is the proof. that is what i asked for.
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
well u need to give them all the proof that it does exist first.
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
In order to prove that something is wrong, one just has to provide one example that negates it. In order to prove that existence of God is wrong, athiest must provide atleast one example that God does not exist.
Which athiest is willing to do that for me?
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
This is a question of faith, its personal and we should leave it personal.
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
from where did this world come from? what all things that we look around, actually from where did it come from?. from where did the seen and unseen,every dimension known come from?.....if it came from some source, from where did that source came from?is that source we call god? from where did god come from?....hmmm..nobody knows i guess.
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i'm not going to do that because i don't know ALL of the proofs. some of the proofs are available, all over the internet, from every part of the globe, from every tradition. so an atheist should theoretically have plenty of widely available proofs to disprove. that was the basis for this thread. to see their disproving.......to see all of their evidence. no atheist has yet to get beyond childish semantics to answer this challenge.
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Exactly. The burden of proof is on the believer. Empirical evidence says that there is no god. Everything can be attributed to random events. The lack of evidence is the proof that god does not exists. Existence=evidence. Lack of evidence=non existence.
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anyway....i believe in god.
but i am open to every thought related to god or no god.
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First, you are arguing a matter of faith. It is futile. Second, the "proof" you speak of is not scientific. They are circular arguments, like: If god did not exist how can we have an idea of perfection. Or, if god did not exist how can we have a perfect prophet.
These are all matters of faith.
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
That's not an excuse. One could have a rational for declaring the absence of something. Especially when said view is strongly held.
If one demands that those who believe come up with a proof (now, I'm assume this is some kind of formal proof), it seems odd that they hide behind a limitation of formal logic that they can't possibly likewise prove their own stance.
Also, absence of proof is not a proof of absence either.
So, the only logical conclusion is to drop this proof nonsense.
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
So, the only logical conclusion is to drop this proof nonsense.
agreed.
Existence of God is a matter of belief and faith. believers cannot 'prove' god exists and atheists cannot disprove it.
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
If one demands that those who believe come up with a proof (now, I'm assume this is some kind of formal proof), it seems odd that they hide behind a limitation of formal logic that they can't possibly likewise prove their own stance.
Also, absence of proof is not a proof of absence either.
So, the only logical conclusion is to drop this proof nonsense.
Your first point is absurd. It does not make sense. You are saying, show evidence for something that does not exist? How can you? Evidence only exists for those things that exist. There is no evidence for Peter Pan, he is as equally real as any god.
Second: Athiests are not running around trying to conver anyone. To the contrary, they are asking people not to shove their beliefs down their throat.
Third, absence of proof is proof of absence.
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
nice thread.
In simple terms, Religions are good to control the masses, religions are there to put fear of consequences in people so that they can abide by the so called God's laws and don't do bad thing. In olden days and still people who are less educated and are more cavemen like will behave in extreme measures if the fear of God is removed from there life. If the God is almighty then why does he need your prayer to survive, does he have some sort of complex that he needs billions of people to pray to him and make him feel good. It simply to bring order to masses. Take Islam for example, it clearly states in many cases that you need witnesses to a crime or a tribute. How many people saw Mohammad receive Quran from Gabriel, how many people saw God write the ten commandments, how did bible came to existence, in all three books the stories are the same, there is no proof yet people with teaching from there leaders become religious. Why Govt.’s need religion? Simple this way they can use the laws written in some book to control the population and have peace, to believe that there is God is plane and simple wrong. We should all try to do good stop the hate and try to get along. As far as being an atheist, it’s a personal matter and should be left alone for the individuals to decide.
my 2 cents, now you can scold me.
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
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Empirical evidence says that there is no god.
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This is news to me! What Godly quantities or propositions are you measuring/testing here?
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Everything can be attributed to random events. The lack of evidence is the proof that god does not exists. Existence=evidence. Lack of evidence=non existence.
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Well, it could be argued that the recourse to random events based over indefinite periods of time is simply a way of masking the obvious. That is, one must take great pains to explain God out of the picture.
Lack of evidence does not imply non existence. It implies lack of a definitive proof.
Re: ATHEISTS … explain
once i read something: that if God doesnt exist then both the atheist and the believer are safe. but if God does exist then the believer is Good to go and the atheist is in for a spanking hehe…so the believer is basically covering his bases.
funny. but do u think someone should believe in God just to be on “the safe side”?
and at the same time: the believer probably did not get to do certain “fun” things that the atheist did 
so if there is no God, then the atheist had a kick as$ life while the believer didnt.
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No, I'm saying don't bother.
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How can you? Evidence only exists for those things that exist. There is no evidence for Peter Pan, he is as equally real as any god.
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No, there is plenty of evidence of Peter Pan as a fictional character. I've read the book.
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Second: Athiests are not running around trying to conver anyone. To the contrary, they are asking people not to shove their beliefs down their throat.
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And in the process shoving their disbelief down everyone's throat. That's why there's no more school prayer in middle America, even though 99% of the class are practicing Christians.
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Third, absence of proof is proof of absence.
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This is a well known logical fallacy. No, it's not.
Re: ATHEISTS … explain
sorry i dont mean to use a smiley in rlgn forum but 
Re: ATHEISTS … explain
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once i read something: that if God doesnt exist then both the atheist and the believer are safe. but if God does exist then the believer is Good to go and the atheist is in for a spanking hehe…so the believer is basically covering his bases.
Heh…it’s called Pascal’s wager…what do you expect from a mathematician? 
The refutation is simple. Assume that God will only reward those who don’t believe. Logically, the contradiction is valid although it’s obviously contrived. But it was enough to shoot down the argument from a formal point of view.
Well, Pascal used a sort of expected value kind of calculation, and reasoned that any (eternal!) punishment in the afterlife far outweighs the fun we can have in this life, so better to be safe than sorry.
And it must be said…most atheists I know are rather bland…I can’t think of a thing I want to enjoy that they do…
Re: ATHEISTS .... explain
atheists ask for proof for existence of god......if god is perfect and beyond definition, can "perfection" be proven in a scientific and logical way that would be acceptable to atheists? can something beyond definition be defined?
if you accept that god cannot be defined in a scientific and logical way and therefore doesn't exist, then you are saying that EVERYTHING must be defined in a scientific and logical way, otherwise it doesn't exist.
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so far all you religious guys have done is nothing. your beliefs are so strong that you are blinded to reality.