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Bottom line... The margin of India's loss to Pak was less than that of Pak's loss to SL, relatively speaking....so India are in the finals....Pak is not. What happened in the 1st phase in inconsequential.
So stop cribbing.
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Nope. India is in the finals because they got a point for losing to Pak by 60 runs. Get real.
And what's with this sympathy bonus point to the losing team if they deny the winning team a bonus point?. Is this to make the tournament more interesting? Well, it sure made the last macth of the tournament as dull and meaningless as it could get.
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Nope. India is in the finals because they got a point for losing to Pak by 60 runs. Get real.
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only time ever a team has been rewarded for losing by 60 runs.
Exactly, utterly disgraceful and pathetic tournament structure. And they still had the nerve to include N.R.R. 
The person who came up with such devious and convoluted ideas surely doesn’t know is head from his ass.
Because of him, a team can with the tournament by not playing to win.
Paki cricket team and fans are like the Italian soccer team and their fans, its all about whining, crying foul, sour grapes and conspiracy theories. Lets blame this one on the jews.
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*Originally posted by oldexams: *
Paki cricket team and fans are like the Italian soccer team and their fans, its all about whining, crying foul, sour grapes and conspiracy theories. Lets blame this one on the jews.
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Exactly... Rules were laid out much before the tournament started. Blame it on Woolmer and Inzimam for not taking advantage of it.
*Miandad pulls up Pak coach on bonus points **
Wednesday, 28 July , 2004, 18:37 Kolkata: Batting legend Javed Miandad on Wednesday pulled up Pak coach Bob Woolmer for crying foul over the bonus points system in the ongoing Asia Cup and said that the team management had miscalculated on the issue during the crucial super league match against India.
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“Everybody knew about the bonus points system before the tournament began. The rule applied equally for all,” said Miandad, who was sacked as Pakistan coach after the team lost to visiting India in both the Test and one-day series in March-April.
“Even if I’d been part of the team now, I wouldn’t have raised questions about the bonus point system,” Miandad said.
He said that prior to the crucial super league match against India last Sunday, the Pakistan team management should have had the thing in mind, and asked the players to be careful.
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“After Mohammad Kaif got out, the Pakistanis should have gone all out. I think it was a miscalculation on the part of the team management,” Miandad said.
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Despite an emphatic 59 run win, Pakistan failed to deprive India of the vital bonus point, and subesquently crashed out of the tournament with India snatching a stunning last ball win against Sri Lanka last night.
After the India match, Woolmer had wasted no time in expressing his displeasure over the bonus points system in one-day international tournaments and found it “flawed”.
“The issue of bonus points should be decided within the difference of 20-30 runs only. It is not fair when a side wins by 60 runs but is still not good enough for a bonus point,” Woolmer had said.
Miandad felt that India stood a better chance of winning the final but criticised Sourav Gangulys boys for their drooping body language, lackadaisical fielding and wayward bowling during most part of the Sri Lankan innings last night.
“The Indians bowled wayward. They made little effort on the field. They couldn stop singles and twos and looked disspirited. As the Sri Lankan innings progress, the Indians body language dropped,” he said.
In the early part of the innings, the Indians should have gone for the wickes or tried to put pressure. They did neither. Its no use blaming Ganguly. No captain can do anything when the players look so disspirited. For example, why should a seasoned player like Kumble have to told about it?" he asked.
In contrast, Miandad said, despite being criticised time and again, he had always believed in an agressive and involved approach and played the game with a great deal of fighting spirit.
“Sehwag’s crucial breakthrough and the second last over bowled by Irfan Pathan turned the game in India’s favour. I think they were lucky,” he said.
Miandad supported Gagnuly’s long-time policy of playing seven batsmen. “I would have used three pacers, either Kumble Harbhajan and asked for the services of Sachin Tendulkar or Virender Sehwag as the fifth bowler.”
http://sify.com/sports/cricket/fullstory.php?id=13532087&headline=Miandad~pulls~up~Bob~Woolmer
Hum..is he playing politics or they really miscalculated it.
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*Originally posted by fair_&_balance: *
Exactly... Rules were laid out much before the tournament started. Blame it on Woolmer and Inzimam for not taking advantage of it.
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not really, if India was in this situation they'd be crying too, so stop being "we-are-not-cry-baby". The tournament is funny as Faisal mentioned it.
India wins 2 games out of 3, goes to Final
Pakistan wins 2 games out of 3, does not go to final
SL wins 2 games out of 3, goes to Final.
why? someone was sympathetic for loosers.
Even though Pakistan really has not "WON" the 2nd out of 3rd game YET, but still funny that no matter how big margin of victory (?) is, Pakistan won't be playing the final, haa.
the next excuse/conspiracy theory that would be provided is that ICC was afraid of resurgent Pakistan - hence they prevented Pakistan from reaching the finals...:0
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not really, if India was in this situation they'd be crying too, so stop being "we-are-not-cry-baby". The tournament is funny as Faisal mentioned it.
India wins 2 games out of 3, goes to Final
Pakistan wins 2 games out of 3, does not go to final
SL wins 2 games out of 3, goes to Final.
why? someone was sympathetic for loosers.
Even though Pakistan really has not "WON" the 2nd out of 3rd game YET, but still funny that no matter how big margin of victory (?) is, Pakistan won't be playing the final, haa.
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this beats all the theories...why would be any one be sympathetic to India...secondly when they drafted the rules were they clairvoyant that Pakistan would not reach finals because they dropped a point against India?
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this beats all the theories...why would be any one be sympathetic to India...secondly when they drafted the rules were they clairvoyant that Pakistan would not reach finals because they dropped a point against India?
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the theory is not for just one game :p
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*Originally posted by bitter: *
the next excuse/conspiracy theory that would be provided is that ICC was afraid of resurgent Pakistan - hence they prevented Pakistan from reaching the finals...:0
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Bhai mere when the point system is such that a team after losing early wickets deliberately palys to lose and then gets a point for it, than there is something wrong somewhere. If this had happened to India they would have been holding the whole cricketing world to ransom, the same way they did when Sachin was banned.
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Bhai mere when the point system is such that a team after losing early wickets deliberately palys to lose and then gets a point for it, than there is something wrong somewhere. If this had happened to India they would have been holding the whole cricketing world to ransom, the same way they did when Sachin was banned.
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Hum.... India didnt play delibrately to lose. When they say they couldnot win they simply tried to get best out of situation and that was getting a point. And many teams have done it..Remember SA in AUS.
At an early point in the game Sachin started playing greedily to get points for himself and he was scoring slowly because he knew they can’t reach 300 so he said why not just take advantage of the tournaments faulty rules and score 240?
Yeah u guys r right Pakistan doesn’t deserve a spot in the finals, because if they were real finals calliber then they would beat a team like India with more than 60 runs.
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*Originally posted by AAM786: *
At an early point in the game Sachin started playing greedily to get points for himself and he was scoring slowly because he knew they can't reach 300 so he said why not just take advantage of the tournaments faulty rules and score 240?
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Even if he did so...Dont you think He was smart and Inzi was dumb to not go all out to finish the tail when Kaif got out.
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*Originally posted by fair_&_balance: *
Hum.... India didnt play delibrately to lose. When they say they couldnot win they simply tried to get best out of situation and that was getting a point. And many teams have done it..Remember SA in AUS.
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Playing out maiden overs and giving the strike to tail enders. Not playing to lose hmmmm? And you got world's best batsman with support from Pathan why not go for the win? Only because of the bonus point.
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Remember SA in AUS.
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yep. And I remember how much Australian Media criticized the whole bonus point fiasco.
I think lets finish off by saying that India took advantage of the silly rules, which after all they did not make. We would have doen the same. I am critical of the points system more than anything else. Now lets concentrate on the final and see who wins.
I am supporting the winner. :)
^ yep and to finish it I will add that Bonus point system might work in a triangular tournament where teams compete repeatedly. It is stupid in competitions like Asia cup where one team can get away with it and others suffer.
lastly saner voices have spoken!!!