Aryans or Dravidians?

No one knows whether the Aryan invasion theory was myth or true. But are Pakistanis Aryans or Dravidians?

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pakistanis and north indians are primarily aryans.. no doubt abt it.. but a small section of ppl in paskiatan who speak brahui are of dravidian origin as their language has been proven to be dravidian

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where are these people located?

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Pakistanis and people from North Western India have more Aryan: Dravidian blood but as you move towards the East of India and down towards the South the Dravidian:Aryan ratio increases.

I think the only pure Aryans are Iranians (Farsiwans and Pashtuns etc.), Iran, Afghanistan and parts of western Pakistan were once one country called Aryana (Land of the Aryans) or Ancient Persia.

Indic and Iranian languages both belong to the Indo-Aryan family so I’m assuming their speakers should be at least partially of Aryan descent.

Most of us Desi Aryans are golden Aryans though :snooty: and the Persians only pasty Aryans.

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Mostly east Indians beyond bengal look like chinese. I guess they are more like mongolians then aryans and dravidians.

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Ham BangaaliyoN ki hi baat kar rahey thay. We have cheenay in Pak too and Negros as well.

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i guess the brahui speakers are in sindh or balochistan province.. plz google it… too lazy to do that :smiley:

on a serious note, i believe they are the remnants of the hyper-ancient indus valley civilization.. cos otherwise how can you justify the presence of a dravidian tribe in the midst of an ocean of aryans… these ppl are hill people so they apparently remained untouched for millennia.. i wud love to meet a brahui and see how they look like/talk…

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another interesting link is between sanskrit and avestan (ancient persian language).. ancient persians had a curious manner of twisting sounds.. one common problem was with the sound "sa" so while indians called the indus "sindhu" (from where sindh comes), the persians called it hindu (unable to pronounce "sa" and also as they didnt have "dha").. so now u know where hindu, hind, hindi, hindustan all come from... in fact they called india the land of "hapta hindu" (skt. sapta sindhu, meaning seven induses, for the tributaries (one of the tribs. dried out, originally there were six) and indus)... they differed from indians in the realm of theology too... so while indians termed gods and demons as deva and asura, iranians called them ahura and daeva (inverse terminology).. this is the reason i think why they split millennia ago... but then rest of indo-european languages agrees with indic terminology, for ex. latin word for God is deo or deos (not sure, latinists pls help).. french word is dieu, greek word is theo so looks like iranians split from the great aryan race long back and settled down separately.. serious replies from linguists and anthropologists wud be appreciated

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Phew, an intelligent post after a long time. good job.

Ranjhan: Actual East of india starts from bengal, but it is only one state, there are like4-6 states in the east who have similar culture and all of them look mongolians. I am not sure if bengalis are dravidians.
and yes we too have africans who live on islands deep down the south. They are protected and live in reserves. Indian govt dont let anybody go to their land. they live like we used to live thousands of years ago. i.e. naked , on trees and hunt for their food. But alas tsunami vanished a lot of their tribes and worse part is they dotn exist in any other part of the earth.

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to answer the original question by nicols_john: pakistanis are definitely aryan but their lineage differs from province to province.. punjabis are mostly indic aryans or indo-aryan in that their lineage traces back to the aryans who split from the iranian aryans millennia ago.. they are ethnically similar to the indian punjabis.. i have a lot of punjabi (hindu) friends who are from west punjab and nwfp that look so much like pakistanis.. i.e. fair, tall and sometimes dark brown hair... and curiously their hairstyle also matches those of cricket playas like akram, afridi (u know the middle-parted style) but i guess that has nothing to do with ethnicity :)... further, the rule of indo-greek kings (like menander) after alexander left, also infused some greek blood into the already-aryan punjabis... fyi, indo-greek kingdoms rules over bactria (modern-day afghanistan and large parts of nwfp) and parts of punjab.. so u will see the european factor increases as u go west in the punjab... a fact that is also accentuated by the lack of dravidian characteristics in that region...

coming to pathans and afghans (they both are two terms for the same people i guess), they have a very peculiar mix... most pathans are of direct iranian descent.. they are not from an indic base.. that partly explains the descent of pashto from pahlavi (middle iranian language) rather than sanskrit, which is the base for other pakistani languages... further, pathans descended from a recluse iranian warrior tribe that moved to the mountains after darius's reign got over.. they remained isolated in the harsh country for several centuries until the greeks conquered them... the greek warrior genes added to their pool and they acquired more warlike characteristics... later on, during mughal times they also intermixed with the mongols and turks from central asia (another great warring race) so all they got in the history of their genes was only war genes!! that explains why the afghans are a tough people and hard to conquer... even the british gave up and established a truce with them...

not too sure about balochs but i guess they are an iranian people rather than indic... sindhis are indic and have great affinity to gujjus and kachhis... even the lang sounds so similar to gujarati.. they might also have some arab influence in their genes (not too sure abt that though).. wud be interested if anybody shed more light..

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another interesting link i am not sure of: does anyone remember maninder singh, the sardarji who played for the indian cricket team? i wonder if his name (maninder) derives from menander, the great indo-greek king...

an interesting fact abt menander: he was the first greek king to convert to buddhism (remember gandhara civilization? greeks contributed a vast part to the statuary).. he was also the first greek king to feature both greek and an indian language in his coins.. his coins read "maharaja minamdra" on one side and featured indian logos... those before him cared little for indian culture and religion and copied the style of athenian coins...

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can't speak for the pathans and balochis, although desibanda, your theory on their ancestory makes sense. as for the rest of us, i'd say we're a mixture of aryan and dravidian origin. i understand that it was not long after the supposed "conquest" of the dravidians by the aryans that intermarriages started taking place between the two, diminishing their distinction in physical appearance.

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All Pakistanis are from the negroids race.........

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Next thing Desibanda will come up with is that Indians are caucasians! All that makes no sense. Let's just change it and keep it simple.

All Paksitan is Arab. All India is Aryan Dravidian and Caucasian.

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All Pakistanis are Arabs??? How come u dont speak some semi-ba$tardized version of Arabic or something??? Why do you speak Indo-European languages like Punjabi, Sindhi, Siraiki and so on??? Morons will be morons.. If u wanna be a Al-Khalid-bin-Suleiman-Al-camel-f$$$er’s ass wipe go ahead… Dont call all Pakistanis Arabs!! That is a HUGE insult… We have 5000 years of civilization that weird savage Arabs dont.. No go back to your rectal job

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Like Bob Dole said, down boy! easy does it. No need to get too excited. Nobody knows for sure any way, so why not rewrite the history (and anthropology) the way people like it?

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huh rewrite as people like it?? well , my family came from jupiter cos i like to think so and it will be part of history.. now dun say its ridiculous.. i will write my history as i like it :mad2:

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this is pure b.s i can't believe some of the "muslims" on this site are into this crap.

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^^ what are u hinting at hun?

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i wasn't hinting at anything "hun". it shouldn't be a puzzling statement desibanda...I don't know what could have led you to that conclusion.