ARY News Banned by PEMRA

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^let's call it Nirala TV :-)

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Wait for few months and you will here good news (or would get indication of impending good news). Insha-Allah.

But then, my feeling is that, if there would be no military take over than there would be Awami takeover with rough justice for all politicians, judges, police and bureaucrats who are perceived corrupt and mentally barbarian.

Maybe, military takeover would save some skins, and my feeling is that, it is possible that seeing public going out of control, politicians would themselves ask for military takeover to save their own skin ... while corrupts would try to run away from the country (hopefully, without success).

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^Not a chance. Even a third class democracy is better than having military goons running the country and dictating affairs.

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^^^ You are right ... I am not disagreeing with you. Present democracy is worse than third class democracy, actually it is demon-cracy.

But public takeover is true voice of people and is actually first class democracy, best representative voice of people, and public justice that follows is though called rough justice, it is first class justice, where those who done corruption, nepotism, brutality and harmed people's interest (and here corrupt judges are also included) are hanged from lamp posts.

Want to see some glimpse:

These are the images of public democratic justice Saloth Sar ('Pol Pot') style:

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Hanging people from lamp post? How is that going to solve anything by taking the law into your own hands?. The system should have capacity to do its work and justice should be served accordingly. It would seem that is the process of functional democracies and hence how they mature and progress.

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and pigs fly :cu2:

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He is craving for Taliban rule. That is what Swat Taliban were doing in Mingora square.

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When government uses state machinery to become barbarian and do atrocities on people, maiming and killing them (as happened in Lahore) ... keeping them jobless and hungry while rulers enjoy banquets ... when government institutions take bribes from people and treat them like animals ... when rulers have exclusive lives (behind barricades) and people are left to suffer ... and people have no where to go with expectation of justice as police and courts are also paid servants of rulers, than they only have two choice.

1: Look towards Armed forces ... hoping they would reduce their torment at the hands of barbarians in power.

2: Or take up arms and revenge themselves giving the people in power and all whom people feel are part of the system ... rough justice (or public justice) and that is always hanging people ... rulers, their children and family members, community people think were privilege class ... from lamp posts.

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'Sher' is being protected by dogs...kuttoN kaa dasta sher kii moHaafiz...

...in reference to NS buying expensive breed of dogs for his security at PM's house.

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taking the caption above your avatar…

“oh dear” :eek:

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I believe there is no stomach for military takeover after the last misadventure and certainly people are much more aware regarding the democratic process.

Any public taking up arms should get arrested and jailed.

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Well, you can jail if public taking up arms are few and are not emotionally charged. But even if 100,000 take up arms than no police could stop them (in most cases, even many from police would also join them) ... only army (like Pakistan army with around million men) can stop them (with big difficulty and after taking lot of casualties) ... though even army cannot stop people if half a million to million take up arms.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, to bring out a million armed men against corrupt government would not be difficult, and one only need good convincing leader (as men and arms, both are there in abundance).

[just imagine ... MQM alone (AH himself) offered 300000 men to Pakistan army if they need to fight Taliban ... Now think]

But as you said, if army has no stomach to takeover the country to safe people than they would not come forward to safe barbarians in government too ... rather, most likely chance is that, if army would come, they would come for people rather than barbarian rulers. Well, even in armed forces there must be people who might take up arms, as they are suffering the same.

Just imagine ... Dogs of barbarian NS and barbarian SS maimed and killed many innocent PAT members at TUQ residence ... if any of those killed were my close one and I had no expectation to get justice from police and judiciary (as they are government paid dogs too) then certainly I would have taken up arms to revenge myself directly from those involved (including NS and SS) without fearing for my own life. So ... what you think must be going in the minds of those innocently killed and their close ones?

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^^^ Just imagine … In Syria 70000 loyal to Asad army is fighting around 30000 rebels, still they were finding difficulty until few thousand Hezbollah jumped in.

It is estimated that in Afghanistan there are around 60000 Taliban fighting Afghanistan and NATO forces and still it is difficult to contain them.

In Pakistan, it is estimated that there are around 30000 TTP Khwarijs doing all mischiefs. In comparison Pakistan has around 600000 armed forces.

Now think, if around 500000 Pakistanis take up arms against barbarian thugs and their corrupt government, what would happen and how can Pakistan army going to stop them even if they want to … plus why? Why Pakistan army would fight Pakistanis to protect these barbarian corrupt thugs … when army themselves are suffering due to them. If Pakistan army do not come in, than 20000 to 30000 armed men could easily enforce revolution in Punjab and subsequently in Pakistan (that also, if police sides with barbarian brothers).

We know that people like NS are orphans. They can only show bravery when in power and can use state elements (police, army, judiciary, etc), else they are ‘impotent’ (hinjray) with no one to stand behind them. Most who show their support to barbarian brothers, it is because they use barbarian brothers to do corruption, grab plots, permits, commissions, and earn haram-money. If time of need would come, these barbarian thugs could not bring out more than few people to defend them. One can see their strength from what happened when Barbarian thugs returned to Pakistan, as no one even cared to come out and show their face. Most of barbarian brother’s political partners were with Musharraf and joined them to do corruption and take advantage of state power.

These barbarian brothers could not even fight their own battle to save their own ass and ass of their immediate family members, and same can be said about all Pakistani corrupts in judiciary, police and bureaucracy.

PPP has some diehard Jiyalas, probably 10 to 20 thousands, who may give their lives for Bhuttos, but I doubt even these Jiyalas would give their life for Zardari. With time, their numbers are decreasing anyhow. So, I doubt they would stand behind barbarian brothers to save system (in expectation of doing corruption later on, when their turn would come).

JUI have some diehard men (probably few thousands) but I think most of them are already fighting along with Taliban.

JI has diehard men in their ranks too, that could be as much as Jiyals. But in present situation, I doubt they would help barbarian brothers or would give their life to save them or system.

MQM has large number of die-hard supporters (could be several hundred thousands) but I do not think they would ever side with barbarian brothers or would try to save system, rather would help if people in Punjab would try to bring the system down … just today on TV (ARY) I was listening to AH who was threatening government and PEMRA in support of ARY and continuously giving moral support to TUQ. But MQM presence is only in Sindh, so no big threat to barbarian brothers in Punjab.

Thus, I think if TUQ, Ch Shujaat, Imran Khan, Sh Rasheed, or people on their own in Punjab decide to take up arms against government of barbarian brothers, it would not be difficult to bring in ‘awami inqalab’ in Pakistan … and then … phir Allah hee hafiz hay … as that would be bad news for barbarian brothers, their corrupt supporters, plus corrupts in judiciary, bureaucracy, and police.

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^ What are you smoking? I'd certainly like to have some too.

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I am smoking Nawaz Nuswar... You can have them from Raiwand. :)

On the other hand, what I wrote is what I believe from all news and different sources I learn ... but still it is my opinion (and surely you may have different opinion) ... so let me know where what I wrote is wrong (according to your opinion)?

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poray pakistani media par aik He show tou kam ka ha “Khraa such”

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I knew you were smoking some bad a$$ stuff.

You believe that armed struggle is the only way to get rid of zalim politicians and corruption? There are several recent examples around the world that clearly demonstrate that it is not possible. I am with you that these politicians deserve severe punishments, but not at the hands of angry mobs. I suppose Libya is doing great now, is it?

Second problem is that we are still divided on the issue of 'who is the enemy'. You used word 'barbaric' for NS and SS at least 15 times in 2 successive posts and nearly used Alaih-e-Salam when you mention hazrat allama Altaf Hussain, bori wali sarkar. To me, they are equally bad for Pakistan but you would not support an armed struggle against MQM but would be happy if something like that happens for NS. How, then, what you suggest would happen unless we all agree to purge all corrupt elements from society. We'd be left with half the population or less in case your suggestion is successful anyways.

There are other much more effective and non-violent ways to achieve what you want. They take a long time but are much more durable than a civil war.

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^^^ That is why I always write that one should read before making assumptive conclusion, and it seems you did not read my post, so when you assumed, you missed what I am saying with big margin.

Even though it does not matter what person writes on this forum, as what would happen is not going to be determined from Gup-shup forum ... still, what I wrote is that, the best solution (in my opinion) is for army to take over and give Pakistanis relief from Pharaohs ruling Pakistan who are barbarian as well as corrupts.

Further, for posters who do not agree that army takeover is good solution, I wrote other alternative that I believe would happen naturally if present barbaric rulers stay few more months and army do not take over.

Personally I do not think that with set-up as it is, Pakistan corrupt political system would ever get better, but regardless, the way things are going, I do not think such system would last too long.

Zardari was corrupt but still, he was playing safe. Nawaz is not only corrupt but is callous as well as Barbaric ... who is trying to run down everyone, including public, media and army ... even to extend of killing innocent people ... have developed enmity all around him ... and that means, no chance that such government would last long ... so either army or bloody revolution.

As things are, I can see that revolution could come anytime. It does not mean I would love it, as personally more than 80 percent of what I own (my worldly assets) are in Pakistan, and that is quite a bit for me. I think if revolution would happen, though many would lose their lives as well as assets, I would lose a lot too (could lose all what I have in Pakistan).

But to have wishful thinking that something would not happen, when it seems clearly around the corner, is nothing but foolishness and idiocy.

As for NS and AH ... who is good or bad, I believe AH is much better (that is my opinion). I won't mind if you may have different opinion, but one thing is for sure, that is, AH is not making policy of Pakistan, neither using state police, bureaucracy and judiciary to maim or kill anyone, neither robbed Pakistan treasury, nor looted Pakistan to become rich (or mega rich), nor is greedy of posts. Most of the time what he says is true (though his way of saying could be debatable), and best thing is that most of his party members come from middle class and stay as middle class even when opportunity come to get rich.

For instance, Dr Ishrat-ul-Ibad and Dr Imran Faroooq (I am mentioning these two name because you would know what I am saying), both were in UK living a modest life in rented accommodation. You must have seen Dr Imran Farooq modest flat on TV that he was renting, where I believe his family is living these days (Edgware and Mill-Hill is quite cheap area to live) ... and same way Dr Ishrat-ul-Ibad was living modestly on Social security.

If Dr Ishrat-ul-Ibad or Dr Imran Farooq were PPP pr PMLN members than they would have been multi-millionaires as before coming to UK Ishrat-ul-Ibad held the office of Federal health minister for many years (and had the opportunity to make many millions of dollars from corruption), whereas Imran Farooq was one of the top MQM leader who could have taken any post he liked (making huge money from corruption).

Even if they were not corrupt, still if wanted to make money or were money conscious, rather than serving people in politics, than they could have easily left politics and started their career as medical doctor in UK earning more than £100,000 a year (being top MQM leaders, they could have easily got a good job in hospitals earning much more than £100,000) ... that mean decent living, certainly much better and comfortable living than what they were having ... but they did not.

I know that when AH came to UK, he had no money to even rent a proper room. In late 1990s when I was doing PhD and working at university too, one of my MSc student and colleague used to go there and according to him, many MQM leaders along with members were living together in one room. Since he (my student and colleague) was good cook, he occasionally used to cook food and all used to eat together, including AH.

Actually, financial situation was so bad that when MQM started their own office in rented house, they had no decent furniture nor money to buy decent computer, and was using typewriter to type letters (when personally I had couple of computers and thought of giving one to them). I do not think a party, if that party would have been corrupt, could have had such scanty resources especially when that party had several lucrative federal and provincial minister posts.

Once, I also thought of joining the party, but my family told me not to, because according to them, me joining party means their life in Karachi getting in danger as at that time PMLN government was doing same what they are doing with PAT today ... rather worse state terrorism ... as they were kidnapping, torturing and even killing family of anyone who were MQM members. Since I had no desire to get into Pakistani politics, and endanger my life for no reason (not from MQM but barbarians rulers), I gave up idea of joining the party.

So ... please think before making assumptions without reading and understanding posts.

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^ Military takeover or armed struggle against phiraons.... there is no short-cut solution to long term acute problems of our society.

Enjoy the niswar.

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For you it is short cut, but you are irrelevant (so am I).

Ask those who got butchered by the beast of Raiwand. The pharaoh you love, the butcher, the khabees who rules and considers that all state institutions are his personal servants ... one who used state police to maim, tortured, and brutally kill many innocent peaceful civilians ... it is relatives and associates of these civilians … parents, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, relatives, friends, neighbours, people who were connected to them emotionally, and people who got shock seeing such state brutality ... people who felt that state is in the hands of criminals and murderers ... people who want change and them seeing what happened increased their resolve ... it is these people who are relevant and it is they who would decide what is short cut and what is long ... and what should happen.

Seeing and hearing them, my feeling is that, whatever short cut you are talking about is not short cut for them, rather it is need of time and that has to happen as soon as possible.