Art films. Who’s seen em, which ones, and how were they? This is from an earlier conversation between Anchal and myself, just thought I’d start a thread on it specifically.
I’ve seen Kamasutra. I think some parts of it were good, some were baaqwas.
Name some films so we can talk.Hope to hear from you soon.
Regards
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kamasutra and ARTTT!!!..
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veryy funny!..
where exactly do u think that ART thingie was in that movie?..
do tell me..okie
laters
bye!
Bharysh,
In Kama Sutra which parts were interesting
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Come on they have to make a story too!! they cant make the whole movie interesting
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When there’s a will, I want to be in it.
Astiva is another good one....It just came out on the video stores near me.....
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Rani you have watched astiva
damn i havent
Ok wait till i watch it then we will discuss it
i cant wait to watch it
i read the review and it was very interesting
hope the movie is just as entertaining
Anchal,
I will love to discuss it with you...now hurry up and watch the movie.
I haven’t seen many, but I would love to see them. I havne’t had a chance with so busy life of mine, but i’ve heard a few that are great:
Fire
Earth
and let me go search some more lol
The end. I liked it best when it ended. Actually, for women to not have any kind of power except for “that way”…yo, gotta admit, that is awesome.
And Munna.. that’s just the way it was labelled. Don’t ask me!
Astitva is a very good film. Tabu is a strong contender for national award for her role in Astitva (Existence)
Two movies that I really liked were kolya and Cold fever. kolya became pretty famous but cold fever never made it big.
Its an independent movie about a Japanese guy who goes to Iceland to pay homage to his parents who died in a rafting accident and to do their last rites. The changes that occur in him while on this voyage as well as teh vistas and the imagery is amazing.
there is so much snow and ice in that movie that you feel like shivering in the middle of july
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if you get a chance see it.
what is astiva about?
ummm...... what do you consider an art film? is joy luck club considered one..or say shogun or say pulp fiction..
someone define what an art film is pls.
Couple of good films that come to mind are:
'The cook the thief his wife and her lover'.
'Drowning by numbers'.
I think all Peter Greenaway movies are great.
Astitva mirrors society, and Tabu is its reflection! -- Savera R Someshwar
"What a bastard!!!"
The female voice, low but unequivocal, carried clearly across the darkened cinema hall.
An embarrassed silence followed, broken by even more awkward how-should-we-react-to-this kind of laughter.
If anything, it was tribute to Sachin Khedekar's effective portrayal of Srikant Pandit in Mahesh Manjrekar's Astitva.
Srikant -- it is tempting to add the words "in typical male fashion" here -- has just announced it is perfectly okay for a man to have affairs because he "is a man." Ergo he will not suffer the backlash (read pregnancy, read it is considered 'okay' for a man to sow his wild oats, read a symbol of male virility) of a casual fling. Which is why, though he too has indulged in affairs, he is quite clearly of the opinion that he has done no wrong.
Yet, he is, at the very same moment, portraying himself as the luckless victim of his wife's infidelity. And is, in fact, having a showdown with her in front of his friends, whose presence he has demanded all the way from another city.
His wife's pleadings -- this is between you and me, let's sort it out in private, please don't make it a public spectacle -- falls on deaf ears.
BEFORE you feel tempted to stop reading -- yeah, yeah, yet another male-bashing film/review -- let me clarify: Astitva is not a rah! rah! overtly feminist film.
Instead, it is one human being's discovery that she too has an identity: in this case, the person happens to be a woman called Aditi, brought to instant, believable life by Tabu. In the process, the film holds a stark mirror to society, reflecting with unblemished clarity the life of an ordinary, upper-middle class Indian housewife.
Aditi begins the movie as Mrs Srikant Pandit in a typical Indian household -- this one just happens to be based in Pune -- with the husband calling out for his tie (Aaj do meeting hain, main der se lautoonga), with her supervising breakfast for an indulged son (which portrayal, thankfully, is human and not the unbelievably syrupy mush normally dished out in the name of maa-beta relationships).
Srikant's old friend, Dr Ravi Bapat (Ravindra Mankani), and his once-divorced wife, Meghna (Smita Jayakar), arrive from Goa and are promptly invited for lunch. Srikant's "important appointments" are instantly cancelled, son Aniket (Sunil Bharve) is ordered to bring fiancée Revati (Namrata Shirodkar) home and it is understood that Aditi will whiz up a "chatpata" lunch.
Ravi arrives, the two friends down a few drinks and the cracks -- faint though they are -- begin to show: the women in the kitchen, the men in the garden, Srikant uncomfortable with the thought of a working daughter-in-law (the male as provider syndrome), his confused reaction to the fact that Meghna is a divorcee with two daughters, his opening mail meant for Aditi, cruelly teasing her about the fact that she has received a large legacy (saluting her, pretending to ask her for a loan, making fun of her because she is now rich)...
Aditi, too, is the normal wife we see around us every day -- educated and intelligent. Devoted to her home and her family. Aware of her husband's needs and constantly working at keeping him in comfort. Glossing over his inconsiderate behaviour in order to keep the peace in the house. Her loneliness in the initial years of her marriage. His refusal to let her take up a job even though he is away from home for months on end.
For the present, though, Aditi, like most Indian women, has made her peace. It is clear the two love each other and this is, in most respects, a happy household.
Until denouement strikes: Srikant realises Aniket is not his son. It shatters a family, a marital bond painstakingly built over decades, a mother's relationship with her son.
Srikant's veneer as the loving husband melts. Ego shattered, he only looks to balm his hurt manhood by emotionally devastating his already broken wife. Even Ravi's reminders of his own marital infidelities are swept aside under the blanket of "I did not bring the result of my infidelities home."
I will not spoil the film by telling you what happens next. Suffice to say Aditi's reaction to the sudden, total destruction of her life brings to unshakeable focus the immense talent of the actress called Tabu.
It tells you why filmmakers make a beeline for her door.
If I have one small crib with her, it would have to be the way she cries. It is only at that moment that she becomes Tabu -- witness Kandukondain, Kandukondain, Maachis, Hu Tu Tu, Virasaat and most of her other films -- instead of remaining Aditi.
As for the others, they are not particularly impressive. Bharve, as the son, is weak. Mankani, who plays Dr Bapat, tends to look angry when the situation calls for sympathy. His expressions are particularly jarring during the highly emotional denouement. Portrayed as the sympathetic understanding male, his expressions simply belie his stated role.
Jayakar comes across as perpetually angry and bitter with life. Understood, she is a divorcee with two children, but even the fact that she now has a wonderful husband does not seem to salve her wounds.
Mohnish Behl plays his little part competently, but it is Namrata Shirodkar "in a very special appearance" who surprises. She has less than 10 minutes in the film, but delivers a believeable performance. If she falters, it is only at the climax when she uncomfortably delivers a I-am-a-modern-woman speech.
These are but minor aberrations and in no way detract from the fact that Manjrekar has come up with a beautiful, sensitive film.
If there is a slight feeling of disappointment, it is with the speed with which Aditi arrives at the solution -- the pace does not keep with her character and leaves you with a fairytaleish feeling.
Yet, one would not like to upbraid Manjrekar. Astitva brings to the forefront many known, if unraised, issues by the simple method of holding a mirror to society.
There are no fancy cinematographic gimmicks, the tale is simply told with careful use of flashbacks, the songs fit in smoothly, even if the background music jars in a couple of pivotal scenes where silence would have been a better weapon.
Astitva is a story that plays itself in many Indian households. It may not happen in yours or mine, yet most of us have seen it happening - either between our parents, with our cousin, aunt or uncle or in our neighbour's house. I'm not talking of physical infidelity here, but of the emotional abuse that is, in most cases, unknowingly and callously perpetrated in most homes.
Most women and, I believe, many men will identify with what they see on the screen when they watch this film.
I don't know if this is going to be a box office hit -- it might not, since it focuses on too many painful truths.
But, as a movie, Astitva is a must-see.
art movie!!! Jaya ganga is a MUST see if you are into art movies, BUT only 18 and above. (DUHHH art movies are for 18 and above)
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well.. i own a art movie. I have Nights of Cabiria on DVD.
Its about this italian prostitute. Movie was made in the 50s i think,cuz its b&w. Now, the movie isn't dirty or anything close to that. It doesn't even have a kiss (hmm.. maybe a small peck) As i was saying, its about this prostitute who is very naive, and is searching for true love in rome. I won't say more cuz that'll be giving away the story.
Its a very simple story so don't expect a complex plot, but it works well.
after this sem I’m making it a blockbuster nite! (or nites, to catch all those movies). thanx everyone for their replys, dissertations, and recommendations
This movie called "Zubeida" is coming in December with Karishma and Manoj Bajpai and it's an art movie. It also stars Rekha. I think it's going to be pretty good cause Karishma has never done a role in an art movie and Manoj Bajpai is cute too.
Astitva is a GOOD one!!!