Arrested militants name RAW, Afghan agency for funding

I don’t know how true this story is, but it worth reading. So, next time when Karazi starts barking we should shove this up his rear.

Arrested militants name RAW, Afghan agency for funding

Arrested militants name RAW, Afghan agency for funding

Wednesday, October 22, 2008

By MAK Lodhi

LAHORE: The three arrested members of a militants’ gang especially deputed by Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan have disclosed that RAW has been funding suicide bomb attacks in Pakistan and that the Indian agency has funnelled Rs 680 million through its links with the Afghan secret agency.

The gang of three persons have brazenly admitted that they belong to the group of persons who had been deputed to ‘destabilise democratic Pakistan’ with the sole purpose of ‘enforcement of Shariah’ in the country.

Operators of an intelligence agency, working beyond the call of their duty, came into contact with a source ready for a tip-off against a reward and led to the arrest of Khurram Ishtiaq, Ghulam Mustafa and Shamim. The persons had been working under Qari Hussain, second-in-command to Baitullah Mehsud. All the three had been arrested on Aug 13 this year while they were on the prowl for a target. The militants had been arrested ‘red-handed’ as they possessed complete suicide kits, including two jackets and 70kg of explosives and detonators.

The accused were hardened militants and took a lot of time to break in and make confessions. They revealed that Qari Hussain had been working to help three adjutants—Farukh Usman alias Shahjee, Tayyab alias Baba; Ustad, the trainer to destabilise democratic government.

Qari Hussain, the leader, prepares suicide bombers and dispatches them throughout Pakistan. He also manages funds for the splinter groups from RAW which works in collusion with the Afghan intelligence agency RAM.

Farukh Usman works as Qari’s deputy and runs the sub-setup to carry out attacks in Lahore in particular and Punjab in general. He was the mastermind of suicide attacks on FIA building, Naval War College, Model Town, Lahore High Court and PAF bus in Sargodha, the investigation has revealed.

Tayyab alias Baba mainly deals with Rawalpindi/Islamabad. He was the man behind blasts at Aabpara Market and Marriott Hotel. The third person known only as Ustad is an expert of making bombs. He is said to be of Indian origin and he ‘works with a vengeance’. He is the man who leads suicide bombers to the marked site of the blast.

The investigation revealed that there are two sub-teams: three persons of one team work under Ustad. Two of the arrested persons—Shahmim Alam alias Sohail alias Kashif alias Uncle and Khurram Ishtiaq alias Ibrahim—have been active members of the TTP and worked under direct guidance of Ustad.

Shamim was the facilitator. His task was to distribute funds to suicide bombers at the behest of Qari Hussain and Tayyab@Baba. Being educated and a well-dressed civilian-look-alike, he was assigned another important job of providing ‘reconnaissance of the target area’.

He possesses the canny ability of mixing up with urbanites. Khurram Ishtiaq alias Ibrahim is a well-trained militant. His job is to harbour suicide bombers at a secret venue till they are led to the area of operation to carry out the job. The third person of this setup, Sajid, is a resident of Ali Khel, Waziristan. It is not certain whether his services were ‘utilized’ or made his escape good.

Another team which works under Farrukh Usman alias Shahjee includes Bablu, Rehan, Ghulam Mustafa @Asif (the third arrested person) and Abdul Rahim. Bablu’s assignment is to provide explosives at the nick of time when the suicide bombers have been finally prepared to perform the ‘sacred feat’.

Ghulam Mustafa and Abdul Rahim, a diehard Jehadi serve as guards and take care that none of perpetrators shows his back and become a deserter. In that case, there is only one choice left and that too leads one to heavens.

Former boss of the intelligence agency, Tariq Lodhi, had recommended a reward and commendation for the team who apprehended the culprits but they say their new boss Shoaib Suddle turned it down on the grounds that agency operators just did their job and no reward should be given for performing duty.

The team members disclosed that they had arrested two prime targets during Pervaiz Musharraf regime and they both had a head money of $5 million each but the reward money was shared by the two premier agencies instead passing it on to the individuals who had arrested them on their own initiative.

The team has long been working on the intelligence of militants but they got the culprits apprehended through a middleman who is ready to divulge more but “only if he is rewarded for the catch.”

The team claims that it could reach out to Qari Hussain and his gang and thus eliminate the danger of suicide blasts in Pakistan by 90 percent. Talking to The News on the condition of not divulging their names, they said, “We neither have free hand nor enough resources to break the hornet’s nest.”

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Re: Arrested militants name RAW, Afghan agency for funding

Were TTP foreign agents, it would have fighting with Jalauddin Haqani, Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, Aiman Al-Zawahiri, and other Taleban/Al-Qaueda networks. In fact it has been created by Pan-Islamist hardliners within pakistan's security/intelligence establishment to defend Al-Qaueda rear. Besides, there are extremly ideologically committed commanders in TTP.

Probably, this story has been released to newspapers by Rahman Malik as a ludicrous attempt to defame TTP.

Qazi Hussain, Gen Hamid Gul, Imran Khan, etc. are defending Taleban and are averse to operation against them.

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These guys haven't been defending Taliban, they have been saying the way Pakistan is going about this is wrong. They all said the jirga's should be the ones that root out these indian agents. Imran has repeatedly said that Taliban in Pakistan is a group made up of Indian agents, criminals etc.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, Gulbuddin, i don't think are a part of Pakistan.

If this report is true, then Pakistan should really start supporting the lashkars to fight off the Indian agents. Its best if Pakistan army stay out of sight when inside Pakistan.

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last of the dino.. why would TTP would fight people like haqqani and etc, they have separate target to destablise Pakistan, and the other gourps doesnt really comes in their way. this is twisted logic.

it may not be the whole truth as the real intelligence doesnt come out in public easily, but there is truth to this new story. how organised and functional they are acting TTP , they may use funding and support from RAW and RAM and they also consider to acheiving goal of so called "shariah " and them become amir ul momineen one day.

but in this process they are ruining Pakistan but do they care about it? I dont think so.

Is this story reported by any other newspaper besides Jang Group?
Jang Group leans towards anti-Islam Talibanic extremists. It is possible they concocted this story, just like some of their previous stories justifying Taliban's despicable acts in the past.

And people believe this. Afghanistan has an intelligence agency capable of destabilizing Pakistan. They could hire suicide bombers and bomb pakistan. If they could find enough people to fight the taliban then it would have been a success. This is just bakwas.
Did any other mainstream international news paper carry this story.

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One line of interest in the article was

"The accused were hardened militants and took a lot of time to break in and make confessions" .

I wonder if the "breaking in" process was rigourous enough that they would have made confessions to anything. Pakistan is regularly accused of using torture.

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So one can buy suicide bombers?

Would actual Indian-agents/Afghan-agents admit without torture? :eek:

One can buy a person as recruiter for suicide bombers....

Actual agents would be incriminated with a real investigation into their activities and collecting solid evidence of their deeds.

Torture has an effect of being able to make just about anyone not only say what you want to make the pain stop, but often psychologically breaks them and makes them actually believe that they did what you tell them they did. (I spent a summer working as an admin at the office of a charity in the UK that rehabilitated torture victims)

The article itself states that it took a lot of time to break these suspects - about as close as you’ll ever get to the Pakistani press saying that they were put under prolonged torture.

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Actually it is very hard to believe looking at the ground situation.

Gulbuddin is in Bajuar because he is an Akhwani (Muslim Brotherhood ...Jummaath-i-Islami) and Aymen Al-Zawahiri is also in Bajuar because he is also an Akhwani. And they are in Bajuar for some reasons; first that Gulbuddin is from northern provinces of Afghanistan and his influence is stronger in Kunar, Nangahar, Nuristan, Lamghan, and northern provinces like Kunduz; second, there is hard Jummaath-i-Islami Jehadi and political cadre in Dir and Bajuar groomed since the days of Afghan and Kashmir Jehad e.g. Maulavi Faqir Mohammad, Bakhth Zamin (they were associated with Jumaath-i-Islami), etc. who are renown TTP leaders and commanders. Sirajul Haq the Jummath-i-Islami leader and senior minister in MMA govt is a staunch backer of Jehadis in Bajuar. So is Qazi Hussain Ahmad and the entire Jummath-i-Islami.

Jalaluddin Haqani, a Deobandi, is in Waziristan because he is a native of Khost, Paktiya and has influence in Khost, Pactiya, Pactika, Logar, Ghazni, etc. In Waziristan, Jaish-i-Mohammad wallas are active because of the Deobandi connection. Moreover, Fazlu-Rahman influence has influence in DI Khan etc.

From their santuaries in Queta operates Mullah Ummar operates again because he is from Kandahar.

Look at the strategic deloyment of these factions. It covers the entire Afghan front.

There are thousands of Taleban, Al-Qaueda in Kurram. Why? Becuase Kurram agency via Logar provides shortest route to Kabul.

Why has TTP been created ? Two of the many reasons for its creation are; first that TTP would suppress any local opposition to the presence of Gulbuddin, Al-Qaueda, etc.; second that they would defend Al-Qaueda and TTA (Tehrik-i-Taleban Afghanistan) rear should the sitting govt in Islamabad take action against Taleban and Al-Qaueda under American or Western pressure (especially during Mushi era such pressure would result into some action). One other purpose is, TTP having control of Waziristan, Bajuar, etc. gives TTA and Al-Qaueda wider area to train, re-group, and establish bases in (Pakistan can make the excuse that it doesn't have control over FATA). The hardliner and pan-Islamist component of Pakistani Army (both serving and retired) e.g. Gen Hamid Gul, Col Amir Sultan (Col Imam), Gen Aziz Khan, Gen Abbasi (whom Musharaf freed in 2000), Khalid Khwaja who are sort of military advisors to Taleban and Al-Qaueda +Pak security/military establishment are involved in it.

Were TTP Indian agents etc. they would be working at cross-purpose with ISI, Al-Qaueda, and Taleban and these forces would have eliminated it.

Don't underestimate the hardliners within military and other institutions e.g. a number of nuclear scientists of Pakistan are extremly fanatic and have worked /are working under religious devoution.

Another theory that America is manipulating the Jehadi project to its own advantage from a superior level of strategic wisdom and planning sounds more plausible. For 3 decades Pakistan has created a large number of fanatic jehadi networks to use in Afghanistan and Kashmir. When US overthrew Taleban, it let Al-qaueda and Taleban leaders to cross over into Pakistan. It rather gave Musharaf/Army billions of dollars...so the generals had the incentive in retaining and further expanding these networks for sake of money and strategic influence in Afghanistan/Kashmir.

True Al-Qaueda and Taleban are causing trouble in Afghanistan for US and NATO but they have now expanded into Pakistan too and hold territory in Pakistan as well. So now when US asks Pakistan to act more against Taleban, the Taleban+Al-Qaueda make Pakistan a battle ground as well. Al-Qaueda sypatheizers in Pakistan's security establishment turn against security apparatus as well. The whole thing that Pakistan created turns on Pakistan itself. And so Pakistani institutions, society, and polity are torn apart by this violent clash. So it eats at the roots of Pakistan itself.

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^^

The flaw with that theory is that an unstable Pakistan is one that is more likely to lose control of one or more nuclear warheads, that could be used in a catastrophic attack against US or western interests.

The US unwillingness to attack Iran already reflects that the US is unwilling to risk actions that could lead to terrorist organisations getting nukes (the US cannot destroy all of Iran's nuclear facilities in one go, and does not want to risk Iran retaliating by leaking technology or weapons).

These two factors mean that the US has an obvious interest in maintaining a stable Pakistan. If Pakistan's security deteriorates, then so does the US's.

If you read the whole article (instead of just this line) it talks about their arrest, their possession etc.

:omg: please don’t repeat Fox lines here.

what the heck u r providing tribal ancestorial histories or taking us to some Geography class, Pak nuke scientists dont grow up in wild barbarian shattle cock environment of Afghanistan that they will start selling technologies while sitting in cave era market shop of Khost or Kabul. There are 31 agnecies who are playing thier own games here and ISI alone is fighting this war with evil RAW, MOSAD, FBI,CIA,KHAD,MI5,KGB etc etc. those heroin farosh, namak haram Afghani government officals who have stayed 30 years in pakistan, now stabbing in his back . Drug dealers like wali karzai, brothers of hamid karzai, thugs,rapists,terrorirst,war lords, thats whole present Afghani parliment and cabinet consists of. Why pakistan not close all t trades with Afghanistan, seal borders with fence and mine it, so that Karzai barking gets some relief. TTI, Al-Qaeda all are getting drug money from Afghan officals, and then start shouting that Pak not control them.

My friend when Gen Hamid Gul holds a press conference and states terms and condition for negotiation on behalf of Al-Qaueda and Taleban, the world exactly knows who the master-minds are and where are the control/nerve centers.

As for jehadi nuclear scientists, you can read the following thread. You can also read “At the Center of Storm, My Years at CIA” by George Tennet, ex CIA director. It names many scientists associated with Al-Qaueda.

In early October 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell visits Pakistan and discusses the security of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. He offers US technical assistance to improve the security of Pakistan’s nukes, but Pakistan rejects the offer. Powell also says that the CIA learned of a secret meeting held in mid-August 2001 between two Pakistani nuclear scientists and al-Qaeda leaders Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri (see *Mid-August 2001](http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ummah_tameer_e_nau_1#amid0801campfiremeeting)). As a result of US pressure, Pakistan arrests the two scientists, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood and Chaudiri Abdul Majeed, on October 23. The Pakistani ISI secretly detains them for four weeks, but concludes that they are harmless and releases them. *Tenet, 2007, pp. 264-268](At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA: George Tenet, Bill Harlow: 9780061147784: Amazon.com: Books); *Frantz and Collins, 2007, pp. 269-271](The Nuclear Jihadist: The True Story of the Man Who Sold the World's Most Dangerous Secrets...And How We Could Have Stopped Him: Frantz, Douglas, Collins, Catherine: 9780446199575: Amazon.com: Books)] In mid-November, after the Taliban is routed from Kabul (see *November 13, 2001](http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a111301kabulfalls)), the CIA takes over the headquarters there of Ummah Tameer-e-Nau (UTN), a charity founded by the two scientists. In addition to charity material, they find numerous documents and pieces of equipment to help build WMD, including plans for conducting an anthrax attack. *Levy and Scott-Clark, 2007, pp. 322](Deception: Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons: Levy, Adrian, Scott-Clark, Catherine: 9780802715548: Amazon.com: Books)] As a result, on December 1, CIA Director George Tenet, Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, head of the CIA Counterterrorist Center’s WMD branch, and a CIA analyst named Kevin make an emergency trip to Pakistan to discuss the issue. Accompanied by Wendy Chamberlin, the US ambassador to Pakistan, Tenet meets with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and urges him to take stronger action against the two scientists and their UTN charity. Musharraf reluctantly agrees, and the two men are rearrested. According to a 2007 book by Tenet, after being tested by a team of US polygraph experts and questioned by US officials, “Mahmood confirmed all we had heard about the August 2001 meeting with Osama bin Laden, and even provided a hand-drawn rough bomb design that he had shared with al-Qaeda leaders.” During the meeting, an unnamed senior al-Qaeda leader showed Mahmood a cannister that may have contained some kind of nuclear material. This leader shared ideas about building a simple firing system for a nuclear “dirty bomb” using commercially available supplies. Tenet, 2007, pp. 264-268](At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA: George Tenet, Bill Harlow: 9780061147784: Amazon.com: Books); *Frantz and Collins, 2007, pp. 269-271](The Nuclear Jihadist: The True Story of the Man Who Sold the World's Most Dangerous Secrets...And How We Could Have Stopped Him: Frantz, Douglas, Collins, Catherine: 9780446199575: Amazon.com: Books)] However, on December 13, the two scientists are quietly released again. The US does not officially freeze UTN’s assets until December 20, and Pakistan apparently follows suit a short time later.

After CIA Director George Tenet visits Pakistan and pressures the Pakistani government to take stronger action against the charity front Ummah Tameer-e-Nau (UTN) (see *Early October-December 2001](http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ummah_tameer_e_nau_1#aearly1001mahmoodmajeed)), the CIA learns more about the organization. The CIA was previously aware that the two prominent nuclear scientists who co-founded UTN, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood and Chaudiri Abdul Majeed, had met with Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, and advised them on how to make a nuclear weapon (see *Mid-August 2001](http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ummah_tameer_e_nau_1#amid0801campfiremeeting)). However, the CIA discovers that other nuclear scientists are also connected to UTN, including Mirza Yusef Beg, a former member of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC), and Humayun Niaz, also formerly with the PAEC. At least two senior Pakistani military officers are also connected to UTN. All these men are brought in and questioned by US officials. But the CIA is unable to question two others connected to UTN, Muhammad Ali Mukhtar, a nuclear physicist who worked for the PAEC as a weapons expert, and Suleiman Asad, who worked at A. Q. Khan’s Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) in its weapons design division. The CIA reasons that these two scientists would be the type of nuclear bomb makers bin Laden was most interested in. However, the Pakistani government claims that the two are in Burma working on a top secret project and cannot be brought back to Pakistan for questioning. *Levy and Scott-Clark, 2007, pp. 320-321](Deception: Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons: Levy, Adrian, Scott-Clark, Catherine: 9780802715548: Amazon.com: Books)] Shortly after 9/11, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf called one of the leaders of Burma and asked if the two scientists could be given asylum there. *New York Times, 12/9/2001](http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9900E7D61E3CF93AA35751C1A9679C8B63&scp=1&sq="Suleiman+Asad"&st=nyt)*] The CIA is also interested in talking to Hamid Gul, a former ISI director and UTN’s honorary patron, but Pakistan will not allow him to be questioned either, even though he had met with Mahmood in Afghanistan around the time Mahmood met with bin Laden and al-Zawahiri. As a result, the CIA is unable to learn just how much UTN could have assisted al-Qaeda with weapons of mass *

Ummah Tameer-e-Nau

I think there is no other way it can de-nuclearise Pakistan. And it is similar to the way Saddam Hussain had been propped up against Iran and made over-confident so he later attacked Kuwait. Some people say he was encouraged into attacking Kowait. It is different to Iraq in one sense that sort of internal implosion is being engineered.

It is also similar to the way Afghanistan was allowed to lapse into the hands of Jehadis, so US and NATO ultimately had to invade it.

And look at the impact of this strategy. Despite amassing billions of dollars, Pak is on the verge of economic collapse. Extremism has risen to dangerous heights spreading to all dimensions and levels of Pakistan's institutional structure. One deosn't know how much sleeping cells extremists have now througout Pakistan. Ethnic discard has widened and is very visible now. There is no political stability. Food and energy are other dangerously alarming crisis. Gulf within the institutions has also widened. Then look at the international isolation. Pakistan has sort of this parriah image that is percieved to have links to many destablizing and dangerous trends throughout the world.

Anyhow it is unfortunate. Seems Pakistan has been entrapped. But Pakistan's military leaders always miscalculated.

But sometimes one thinks if US would not have done it, there would have been more dangerous consequences of jehad in Kashmir and Afghanistan that might have lead to a nuclear war with India.