and you also agree with burqaposhX. Are you here to play double cross b@stard with bad intentions?
Dont be angry. He was agreed with some points and he has right to do so but I don't agree to that. I am looking a dirty play behind this all against democracy and always play against democracy is a play against Pakistan.
Not the way paki military top brass has involved in such depth. Patagon never runs the parallel government and call conspirators like SS and ch Nisar to their office to go against their president and the government.
Yeap. He is the one.
However pentagon does assert their policies and many a time win the debate. Just read the history.
Nixon's tapes are a good start.
You’ve got it all mixed up now!
I thought McChrystal was a Caucasian general plotting to take over the presidency from the African-American president, and the proper response should be to hang Martin Luther King’s portraits in the Oval office and put some disinterested political leader like Gary Ackerman in charge of the Af-Pak strategy.
Wait.. I think I'm losing it.
Not the way paki military top brass has involved in such depth. Patagon never runs the parallel government and call conspirators like SS and ch Nisar to their office to go against their president and the government.
Look bhai. You are a patriot. And no patriot should use derogatory language against Pak army.
Yes they are no angels.
But perhaps out of respect for the shaheed soldiers and officers we should not air the dirty laundry.
No one in their sane mind can imply that Pakistani institutions are as mature and those from the West.
You expressed your opinion on the subject, and others did the same.
How about we agree to disagree.
President wanted to sack Kayani despite Kayani excercising restraint by not indulging in political matters for last one and half years...
Kayani retaliated with a show of strength from corps commanders... ISPR issuing a statement on behalf of all the corps commanders that don't push them now against the wall too much!
It is as simple as that!
Pak army should not be judged at the moment by what they have done in past six decades. They have a difficult task at the moment and for the first time in the history are doing the right stuff. They need the support of the whole nation at the moment and dirty politics should not be played with them by NRO unpopular President who was installed by an illegal dictator. Army is acting as per the desire of the people of Pakistan at the moment and I am sure they have no intention of involving themselves in the poilitics. However Pakistan army today wants to show the world that they are Pakistan army and not Musharraf's American army... what's wrong with that!
I agree with you. Top brass should have not openly indulged in civilain matter. They could have shown their displeasure through defense ministry not through press conference showing their muscle power to democratic government. This only shows that how much they respect the elected government by inviting secretly the conspirators like SS and Ch Nisar to go against the government. This is quite stupid action on thier part.
Perhaps these conspirators have already forgotten the most ugly chapter in the history of Pakistan of NS's removal in 1999. They did not learn from the history of the past.
No, I have not used derogatory language. Read my posts again. Mistakes of the past should not be repeated. Top brass has to recognize its own elected government and pay due respect under constitution. Is it that difficult for you to understand?
Your views are mostly viscous without any logical sense. "tumhari bhi jay jay, humari bhi jay jay, na tum haaray na hum haaray." I don't belive in such nonsense.
Kerry Logar Bill is the best thing that has happened to Pakistan although Punjab-centered forces are opposing it. But we Pakistanis would have to do what is the needful to do...
LastOfTheDinosaurs,
Why are Punjabis are against this bill? Ultimately it will benefit them more than anyother province.
LastOfTheDinosaurs,
Why are Punjabis are against this bill? Ultimately it will benefit them more than anyother province.
Actually, they fear it would be the beginning of a radical change in the internal and regional political order ....When political ambitions of the army which is dominated mostly by one province are curtailed, it will cut-down the influence of that province as well....
Similarly, under civilian govt the army will not be able to make troubles in Kashmir and Afghanistan.
Besides, Kerry Logar Bill says nothing about the concessions to textile exports from Pakistan (Fisalabad). That is another reason for opposition to Kerry Logar Bill.
Do you think paki army has enough courage to face the wrath of Uncle Sam? In fact Paki army is Uncle Sam's army first then it is Paki army. Once upon a time kana dajjal malown Zia-ul-Haq tried this and he was smoked in mid air. And don't forget the fate of Saddam Hussain. You can not bite the a$$ of the benefactor. I think you live in fantasy land of Disney Land.
The same happened to ZAB btw. Jimmy Carter could have saved his life but he chose not to (BB slated Carter in her book 'daughter of the east') partly because of Bhutto's bold move (and I give him credit here) of going ahead with Pakistan's nuclear programme against the will of the Americans. plus Zia was able to blackmail the Americans in the aftermath of the soviet invasion of Afghanistan
So your theory does not apply to military rulers only!
the top brass should shut fk up. it's not their place to be expressing their "grave concerns". it's because of these FA pass morons that we are in the situation we're in...
where were these corps commanders when the CJP was being abused on the streets of Islamabad? where were they when Musharraf "fired" and then imprisoned 60+ judges of the judiciary? where were these khaki morons when Bugti was murdered? why didn't they express their reservations then?
either your conscience tells you to speak up every time there is a wrong or you should keep your mouth shut. you can't express your grave concerns only when your interests are being hit.
a part of me seriously wants the govt to accept this bill just to put the army wallas in their place.
You make valid points re. CJP etc. but you have probably not heard of the chain of command in the military whereby you have to obey someone senior to you in batch never mind in rank. So despite what they may have thought of Mushy's actions then, those corps commanders (not saying they are saints) could not have openly challenged Mushy or gone against his orders
So what you are proposing (though it makes sense) is not practical in theory..
No you are absolutely wrong and distorting the facts. Bhutto was killed by malown Zia-ul-Haq. It has nothing to do with America. America might not like him but definitely it was malown who killed him because of his 90 days fraud elections promise saw that Bhutto was comming again with full force in power and he would have definitely put under trial the malown for violation of constitution.
As regard Zia, he was pet dog of uncle sam, later he tried to bite the @ss of his benefector and smoked in mid air. Same thing happened to Saddam Hussain.
Similarly, under civilian govt the army will not be able to make troubles in Kashmir and Afghanistan.
Besides, Kerry Logar Bill says nothing about the concessions to textile exports from Pakistan (Fisalabad). That is another reason for opposition to Kerry Logar Bill.
If that is the truth as you are saying then Pakistan ka allah hafiz.
No you are absolutely wrong and distorting the facts. Bhutto was killed by malown Zia-ul-Haq. It has nothing to do with America. America might not like him but definitely it was malown who killed him because of his 90 days fraud elections promise saw that Bhutto was comming again with full force in power and he would have definitely put under trial the malown for violation of constitution.
As regard Zia, he was pet dog of uncle sam, later he tried to bite the @ss of his benefector and smoked in mid air. Same thing happened to Saddam Hussain.
You did not get me. Zia was obviously the chief perpetrator of this crime but you cannot deny that he was also able to manipulate Uncle Sam because of the Soviet invasion.
And it is not just military dictators. Marcos and Shah of Iran were American puppets too but they were unable to help them during their time of need
And it is not just military dictators. Marcos and Shah of Iran were American puppets too but they were unable to help them during their time of need
I understand what you are saying. Zia-ul-Haq was directly involved in the killing of Bhutto. He could have avoided this heinous crime he committed. Zia-ul-Haq, was wagging his tail for eleven years before uncle sam, a slight shift from wagging to biting the benefactor, smoked him in the mid air.