Army top brass expresses dismay over US aid bill

The history showed it was always army who had made the majority of key decisions since 1947. This means that Zardari may not get aid under such circumstances. Which ultimately will create chaos and confusion and may result in another easy take over by the military. There after every condition will be acceptable as usual and there would be no problem for laanati jamaatis too. See how the views on this aid differ by the Zardari government who insists on getting this aid.

This has purely civilian government prerogative. Military has no right to indulge in such controversy. The results could be disastrous if there is clash and Government fails to get this aid due to wishes of the military.

The army should have showed dismayed on misappropriation of billions in auditor report by auditor general of Pakistan rather than on this purely a civilian matter which could be discussed in NA if there is any serious lacuna in getting this aid.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Army top brass examines US aid bill

**The Kerry Lugar bill also came under discussion during the conference. The forum expressed serious concern regarding clauses impacting national security. A formal input is being provided to the government, the statement said.

However, in the considered view of the forum, it was the parliament, that represented the will of the people of Pakistan, which would deliberate on the issue, enabling the government to develop a national response, it added.**

DAWN.COM | Front Page | Zardari asks party leaders to defend Kerry-Lugar

**The meeting continued till early Tuesday morning and was attended by about 30 senior party leaders, including Makhdoom Amin Fahim, Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar, Qamar Zaman Kaira, Syed Khursheed Ahmad Shah, Dr Zaheeruddin Babar Awan, Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan, Najmuddin Khan, Raja Pervaiz Ashraf, Faisal Karim Kundi, Sardar Aseff Ahmed Ali, Syed Sumsam Ali Bukhari, Mohammad Afzal Sindhu, Senators Nayyar Hussain Bokhari, A. Rehman Malik, Jehangir Badr, Mir Lashkari Raisani and Zahir Shah.

Briefing the media, President’s spokesperson Farhatullah Babar said that the president rejected criticism that the conditions in the Kerry-Lugar Bill undermined the country’s sovereignty.

The president said the bill was the first Pakistan aid legislation that did not require presidential certifications every year. “It only required certification by the Secretary of State that Pakistan was moving along the path of democracy, nuclear non- proliferation and drugs control.

”Who in Pakistan under the present democratic dispensation would disagree with these goals?” he asked.

”This was in contrast with the past aid bills that required presidential certification that Pakistan was moving towards restoration of democracy, human rights protection, nuclear non-proliferation and drugs control,” President Zardari added.

He said the bill acknowledged Pakistan as a critical ally and its profound sacrifices in the war on terror.

The language of the bill relating to nuclear proliferation had also been toned down. In the original bill, he said the wording was to “ensure access of US investigators to individual suspected”.

“This was changed to receiving cooperation ‘in efforts such as providing relevant information from or direct access to Pakistani nationals associated with such networks’,” he said.—APP**

Re: Army top brass expresses dismay over US aid bill

Ifd the choices are:

A) Insults + Aid
B) Insults + no Aid

which would you advise your government to pick?

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C) Shut off supplies to Nato forces in Afghanistan.

Hey this is just another version of the Pressler amendment and we know how much that helped us in the 1990s.

??

Beggar can't be chooser?

Pakistan is not in condition to go aganist NATO and USA. We are a slave of the WEST. They can manipulate us anyway they want. If we Shut off supplies to Nato forces in Afghanistan, USA will force sanctions on us and stop the supply of Military hardware (Helicopter, F-16s, Frigate, Radar, etc). They may even occupy the FATA as a buffer Zone to fight against Taliban and Al-qaida.

But they cannot win this war.

And what do you think USA, NATO and India would do?

Pakistan is not a powerful country. Its a fragmented country which can be broken apart.

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I dont under all this shoor sharaba on US BILL, passed in US on HOW THEY want to spend THEIR money. Its not a UN resolution that we have to obey. We have option DONT TAKE THE AID simple is that.

Its quiet simple. Even in real life, if some bagger ask for money for medicines, i tell him/her to get me the name of dawieee and I'll buy you medicines but I am not giving you money. He then have a choice to either give me the name of medicine OR go to the next person to ask for money. Guys its not a LOAN its a AID.

We have a choice too... either take the AID and obey the terms or pick up our kashkool and move to next country to ask for bheek.

Who gives a damn to a UN resolution…lol

Watch this: Where the Bluegirl represents the US and the Nigger represents the Afghanistan-Pakistan…and where the Red-hat guy acts as NATO…oh well…the people in the balcony might be Obama & Co… :smiley:

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'Army Top Brass' does everything but their job... defend Pakistan.

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Army should take over... Army will be better than these looters and chors.. Pakistan is strong, and i think army will not let this zordari and co to take this aid... army should throw away these scumbags from power and take control..
Long Live Pakistan!!

Do you think paki army has enough courage to face the wrath of Uncle Sam? In fact Paki army is Uncle Sam's army first then it is Paki army. Once upon a time kana dajjal malown Zia-ul-Haq tried this and he was smoked in mid air. And don't forget the fate of Saddam Hussain. You can not bite the a$$ of the benefactor. I think you live in fantasy land of Disney Land.

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I am sure all democracy lovers must be very happy on this press release from Farhat Ullah Babar.

that bus left the station decades ago when strategic depth in Kabul and mujahideen (not!) to Kashmir were adopted as active constructs. Twenty years before Bush asked 'with us or against us' your guys managed to seal your answer. The ability to say NO was removed then.

Let's see how NA deals with Kerry-Luger. What's at stake is not chump change. When the offer is upped by 15% or if a side deal is made to not seek accountability for say a third of the funds see how fast your NA signs up

the top brass should shut fk up. it's not their place to be expressing their "grave concerns". it's because of these FA pass morons that we are in the situation we're in...

where were these corps commanders when the CJP was being abused on the streets of Islamabad? where were they when Musharraf "fired" and then imprisoned 60+ judges of the judiciary? where were these khaki morons when Bugti was murdered? why didn't they express their reservations then?

either your conscience tells you to speak up every time there is a wrong or you should keep your mouth shut. you can't express your grave concerns only when your interests are being hit.

a part of me seriously wants the govt to accept this bill just to put the army wallas in their place.

Zardari as our president.. probably the most corrupted leader in the world right now yet as our president..lol
he wont last for a long time.. I presume army is going to take over sooner or later..
Nawaz sharif, another munafiq who seems to be quiet on this bill..
MQM have their own demands..
PPP is on the hike of looting the nation to its max..
Final choice.. General sahib, in sab ko nikal do.:)

:rotfl:

You really need to learn to read. And after that learn to read the news. Last time we shut off supplies, the US generals jumped on the first flight to Islamabad scared about what the hell was going on.

It was enough to get them to back off for a few months.

Seriously do you Indians have the blinders on or what?

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^^

Then why isnt Pakistan doing it again. Seriously you need to think before you start typing.

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Because I am not responsible for the government of Pakistan and its actions. You see sweetheart who can't read UNSC resolutions, the indian give me two options. I produced a third. And then all you *****es got your panties in a bunch.