So you think top brass military is bunch of idiots who are not thinking intelligently how to restrain Uncle Sam by stopping NATO supplies. Why don't you send your brilliant idea to General Kyani, to act on? Shabash jaldi karo warna buhat der hojaigi. If you can not then just STFup.
By the way people who don't agree with your retard ideas become Indians. This is kind of very old rehtoric of Jamaatis. Think of new strategy. Get a life man or woman.:)
Re: Army top brass expresses dismay over US aid bill
Actually those are your words not mine. I like any normal sane individual I do not have the view of the big picture, I have a limited view and make my comments based on the information available, logic and a good grasp of history.
Unlike you.
Because I am not responsible for the government of Pakistan and its actions. You see sweetheart who can't read UNSC resolutions, the indian give me two options. I produced a third. And then all you *****es got your panties in a bunch.
You still haven't read the reolution .... last time also you ran away
Requests the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan to make any recommendations to the parties for further appropriate action with a view to making progress towards the implementation of the resolutions of the U.N.C.I.P of 13 August 1948 and 5 January and towards a peaceful settlement
Coming back to this topic .... the generalsare upset becausethey are the ones directly hit by this bill ..... after all it is only the "military aid" that requires the certification .... "toa unke to pat per lat mari ha amrika ne" :D
Re: Army top brass expresses dismay over US aid bill
I want to ad here the statement of PML N’s … N$
PML(N) and Kerry-Lugar
PML(N) chief Mian Nawaz Sharif has said that he will soon return from abroad where he is at the moment, to press for Parliament to give a definitive decision on the Kerry-Lugar aid bill, as well as decide the bye-elections issue. Mian Nawaz said this while talking to Nawai-i-Waqt in London, which he is visiting these days. He said that if US Congress was free to decide about the Bill, Pakistan’s Parliament was also free to look at the benefits and damage of the Bill, and to take a decision on whether or not to accept it accordingly. However, Mian Nawaz did not make it clear about how a Parliament which had yielded an executive which had accepted the Kerry-Lugar Bill would decide any differently about it. He did not directly link his by-election decision to this, but said that he would decide this when he returned to Pakistan.
By saying that those who had forced the personality who made Pakistan a nuclear power to confess to proliferation were only capable of provoking pity, Mian Nawaz again aimed a barb at Pervez Musharraf, but this was also a criticism of the Bill, which demands Pakistani collaboration in getting hold of Dr A.Q. Khan. Mian Nawaz may have the best of reasons to be abroad, but at this critical juncture of the nation’s life, he should remember that he is the leader of one of the country’s two largest parties, and should be in Pakistan at the moment. True, his wife may be under treatment, and all his children may be there, but that does not cancel out his responsibility to be back in Pakistan to deal with issues that cannot be handled by anyone apart from himself. The Kerry-Lugar Bill may provide an example of how his party struggled to establish a definite opinion and provide appropriate guidance to the nation, apart from being an example of how the country is being treated by its
rulers.
Mian Nawaz should realise that while he was in exile, the party managed to survive, but it was badly battered, precisely because it had to make do without his leadership. Now that he has returned to Pakistan, and could re-enter Parliament through a by-election, the situation has changed, and any attempt to use the old methods of control, with the party present in both Houses of Parliament and all four provincial assemblies, even in government in one province, will not work except to create the very confusion that Mian Nawaz disdainfully says is not caused by his party. Mian Nawaz’s family may be very dear to him, and it has every right to remain in any country that will have its members, but Mian Nawaz, if he wishes to lead his party at this delicate juncture of national affairs, must do so in person, and at home.
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You still haven't read the reolution .... last time also you ran away
Requests the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan to make any recommendations to the parties for further appropriate action with a view to making progress towards the implementation of the resolutions of the U.N.C.I.P of 13 August 1948 and 5 January and towards a peaceful settlement
Coming back to this topic .... the generalsare upset becausethey are the ones directly hit by this bill ..... after all it is only the "military aid" that requires the certification .... "toa unke to pat per lat mari ha amrika ne" :D
LMAO! Read the thread. I responded to you a few weeks ago. You will see my response is the last in our conversation.
LMAO! Read the thread. I responded to you a few weeks ago. You will see my response is the last in our conversation.
This is what your response was ..... still belive that UNSC is asking for recommendations from India and Pakistan .... so now you agree UNSC wants the implementation of UNCIP resolutions and that is what the whole discussion was all about :D
We will get to that in due time. Now on to the paragraph you picked.
Point 1 What: Request - the UNSC is requesting Point 2 Who: The United nations Representatives for India and Pakistan - Basically the governments Point3 To do what: to make recommendations
So the UNSC wants India and Pakistan to make recommendations. Simple enough. But recommendations regarding what? Lets continue.
Point 4: To the parties - in this case the parties to the confict and the UNCIP Point 5 Recommendations regarding what: With further appropriate action with a view to making progress
So lets recap.
So the UNSC wants India and Pakistan to make recommendations on appropriate actions to make progress.
But progress on what exactly? Lets see what it says again
Point 6 towards the implementation of UNCIP resolution
So to recap once again and place it all in a sentence the paragraph states:
The UNSC wants India and Pakistan to make recommendations on appropriate actions to make progress towards the implementation of UNCIP resolutions.
So what they want? They want recommendations.
Aam banda where are these recommendations? Got a link so we can further this discussion in an open and transparent manner?
This whole dicusssion staretd when you made this staement about UNCIP resolutions
Incorrect. That is not a UNSC resolution.
And then i showed you that UNSC resolution 126 asked for implementaiton of UNCIP resolution ....... this was in response you another of your friends this statement
Pakistani forces need to withdraw and Indian forces can remain in kashmir???
India's greed of kashmiri land is the biggest reason why there are so many problems between India and Pakistan. Indians know that kashmir with 78% muslim population in 1947 shouldn't have been part of India but their EGO won't let them admit that. World community doesn't care as there is nothing for them.
Problem will continue and there is absolutely no solution.
He did not know what was written in UNCIP resoltions so was surprised to know that UN had asked Pakistan to remove its troops ... C O M P L E T E L Y .... from areas they had held in Kashmir .......
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*Read this thread with another about Sh..baz & Nisar
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Unlike you.
Since you are dishonest in your thoughts so I infer what you meant in your "brilliant post # 20". If you want to say something different say it in plain words. salees urdu samajhtay hain.
No you have not limited views, your concocted and distorted views are known to me for a long long period of time. As regard to logic and good grasp of history, I know how much are you expert in that. The BS posts full of arrogance and swearing that is what you are capable of. Thanks God I am not like you and I will never want to be like you. Rest assure.
The history showed it was always army who had made the majority of key decisions since 1947. This means that Zardari may not get aid under such circumstances. Which ultimately will create chaos and confusion and may result in another easy take over by the military. There after every condition will be acceptable as usual and there would be no problem for laanati jamaatis too. See how the views on this aid differ by the Zardari government who insists on getting this aid.
This has purely civilian government prerogative. Military has no right to indulge in such controversy. ...
Calm down bhai.
This is a healthy debate (if for a moment you ignore the cr@p spread by the leftie media at home and abroad). One of the most successful democracy such as USA have similar debates between the Pentagon, White House, and the Congress.
The same thing is true in Pak these days. We should be proud of our parliament, our executive branch and our army. They are not that d^mb as some of us want to believe.
This is an excellent idea to show Americans and the world that we are making treaties and agreements based on "consensus", and not in a one man show.
My feeling (and I could be wrong), that Army top brass aka Kiyani, Zardari, Jilani, and perhaps few other politicians and bureaucrats are having vigorous debate on Kerry-lugar bill. And in the end they will meet Americans half way and perhaps get some of the objectionable clauses removed.
No need to spread negative comments. Everything is Kewl.
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I do not undestand who is Punjab Army to say whether they like KL bill or not. Well I think CJ of Pakistan should also let nation know whether he and his institution like the KL bill or not.
This is a healthy debate (if for a moment you ignore the cr@p spread by the leftie media at home and abroad). One of the most successful democracy such as USA have similar debates between the Pentagon, White House, and the Congress.
I don't think it is healthy debate and don't compare Pantagon and US with Pakistan. Pantagon is under President/Vice President. They never dare to challenge their bosses on key issues and decisions unlike Paki army with the history of kicking out legal democratic governments.
I did not remember the name of top general who spoke on some policy matter, was immediately kicked out by US president.
I don't think it is healthy debate and don't compare Pantagon and US with Pakistan. Pantagon is under President/Vice President. They never dare to challenge their bosses on key issues and decisions unlike Paki army with the history of kicking out legal democratic governments.
I did not remember the name of top general who spoke on some policy matter, was immediately kicked out by US president.
Obviously there is no direct comparison between the institutions of Pak and US. Anyone assuming that fallacy is clearly out of line.
However in this particular case, Pak army and other groups are much more "civilized" in the debate. That's all.
Do you want Taliban style debate?
Just put everything in perspective please.
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Must have been Stanley A. McChrystal.
Do you want Taliban style debate?
Just put everything in perspective please.
What civilised? Are you out of your mind? They have clearly gone out of line with the government point of view to show that who is still calling the shots. As regard taliban style debate are you on drugs? What this has to do with taliban?
Must have been Stanley A. McChrystal.
Yeap. He is the one.
However pentagon does assert their policies and many a time win the debate. Just read the history.
Nixon's tapes are a good start.
What civilised? Are you out of your mind? They have clearly gone out of line with the government point of view to show that who is still calling the shots. As regard taliban style debate are you on drugs? What this has to do with taliban?
Well if the government cannot shooot then i am afraid the army needs to take up the gun and show the government how to shoot :)
anyhow there is nation concensus on this issue so the corrup government cannot do anything BUT to listen to its people.
Calm down bhai.
This is a healthy debate (if for a moment you ignore the cr@p spread by the leftie media at home and abroad). One of the most successful democracy such as USA have similar debates between the Pentagon, White House, and the Congress.
The same thing is true in Pak these days. We should be proud of our parliament, our executive branch and our army. They are not that d^mb as some of us want to believe.
This is an excellent idea to show Americans and the world that we are making treaties and agreements based on "consensus", and not in a one man show.
My feeling (and I could be wrong), that Army top brass aka Kiyani, Zardari, Jilani, and perhaps few other politicians and bureaucrats are having vigorous debate on Kerry-lugar bill. And in the end they will meet Americans half way and perhaps get some of the objectionable clauses removed.
No need to spread negative comments. Everything is Kewl.
Totally agree with you.
happyheart,
What in the hell are you talking about I don't know. Do you have any prove that present government is corrupt? The aid is for the benefit of the people, and which poeple are you talking about who are gainst this aid? Jamaati, military or Ch Nisar, the new evolving conspirator.
Pakistan has received $billions and $billions of aid and loans from Uncle Sam in the past with lots of strings attached. Why this aid has created severe pain in the arses of those who survived through generations on the same aid from Uncle Sam?
and you also agree with burqaposhX. Are you here to play double cross [EMAIL="b@stard"]b@stard with bad intentions?