This was has been forced upon us, ever since foreign forces entered these talibian are killing pakistanis or attacking embassies to prove a point to someone else
What have the pakistani's done wrong
Bitter_reality I understand your opinion but do u think that if Pak agrees to the demands of taliban i.e withdrawal of foreign forces, pak army should not support to US etc.. then they would leave us alone. When Obama asked to negotiate with them they clearly refused and said we have one demand, "get out of our country" is this demand wrong? its been 8 year afghanistan has been bombard like hell, and didnt even find osama's hair, taliban and their mission just increased in number. It was announced by their leader that 2 bomb blasts/week. This is to prove a point to USA,. Whats their enmity with pakistan. Thats why i say its their war with USA and we are stuck in middle.
It was never our war.......It was not Pakistan's War but Secular extremist self imposed it on us...............now this is has become a Secular extremist vs Religious extremist war
But we have to agree that the war was initiated by seculars who probably underestimated the talibans.....and now the entire country has to pay for their miscalculation.
I don't support either end of the two extremes. We need to follow the middle path. Pakistan has its own culture and tradition we are neither secular extremists nor........religious fanatics. I am sure that i have represented the main stream silent majority of Pakistan
We mainstream Pakistanies want an end to this ordeal. I hope things get better and this self imposed war stops in Pakistan
It won every battle but lost the war due to public support deteriorating....
I know this a concept too complex for you to handle
Start right from the top genius and stop where you get confused.. But take a lesson in comprehension first may be just may be you will understand the meaning of winning and running with tail solidly tucked between the legs. LMAO......
I have to agree with you on this. Theres a lot to disagree with you on at times but this is a TRULY VALID point and FACT.
Had those Taliban concentrated their attacks only on the Army I would not have complained (im not saying they are right to do that but they are both fighting each other) BUT they attacked the INNOCENT civilians and have done it on a regular basis.
What are the crimes of those civilians?
Bitter reality should justify why so many innocent civilians have been killed by that "hero" Mehsud. he has time and time again admitted to attacks. I just wish the army would teach them a lesson once and for all.
Those scum that call themselves the TTP are pakistans enemy.
When the soldier's are being killed and civilians are begin killed by talibs, it is exactly our war.
It was never our war.......It was not Pakistan's War but Secular extremist self imposed it on us...............now this is has become a Secular extremist vs Religious extremist war
But we have to agree that the war was initiated by seculars who probably underestimated the talibans.....and now the entire country has to pay for their miscalculation.
I don't support either end of the two extremes. We need to follow the middle path. Pakistan has its own culture and tradition we are neither secular extremists nor........religious fanatics. I am sure that i have represented the main stream silent majority of Pakistan
We mainstream Pakistanies want an end to this ordeal. I hope things get better and this self imposed war stops in Pakistan
Based on this explanation, it is very clear, which side you will pick,
if you HAD to pick a side.
It was never our war.......It was not Pakistan's War but Secular extremist self imposed it on us...............now this is has become a Secular extremist vs Religious extremist war
But we have to agree that the war was initiated by seculars who probably underestimated the talibans.....and now the entire country has to pay for their miscalculation.
Pakistani Taliban are not even "religous", they are just fanatics who are making a mockery of Islamic rulings. Growing a beard doesn't make one religious.
Start right from the top genius and stop where you get confused.. But take a lesson in comprehension first may be just may be you will understand the meaning of winning and running with tail solidly tucked between the legs. LMAO......
So in other words....you had no counter to my point and went on this diatribe
Makes one wonder... Do these fathers who refuse to accept the bodies of their Shaheed sons, realize that the other side is ALSO fighting against their fellow Muslims?
Honestly, the Pakistani mentality is beyond me sometimes!
So in other words....you had no counter to my point and went on this diatribe
What is there to counter genius on your planet US won hands down... What next USraeils victories aginst Hizbullah.LOL... Again start right at the top and keep trying evetually the message might sink.
Re: Army Soldiers Refusing to Fight Talibans- A New Development
Speaking of Vietnam....Mohammad Ali - The American Heavy weight boxer refused to seve in the United states army during the Vietnam war. His opposition to war was regarded as treachery by hardcore Ultra Nationalists.....but then the world realised that Mohammad Ali was right!....
Wars are never a solution to any problem.....Soft approaches are always better than military ones. With that being said I hope you will appreciate why am I against the military operation and the collateral damage it does to ordinary people
Speaking of Vietnam....Mohammad Ali - The American Heavy weight boxer refused to seve in the United states army during the Vietnam war. His opposition to war was regarded as treachery by hardcore Ultra Nationalists.....but then the world realised that Mohammad Ali was right!....
Wars are never a solution to any problem.....Soft approaches are always better than military ones. With that being said I hope you will appreciate why am I against the military operation and the collateral damage it does to ordinary people
Ah. So you're a peaceful person. One who doesnt like violent approaches to problems. Who opposes collateral damage, and doubtless feels sad when innocents die.
Why is it then that when Taleban bomb sufies, you make fun of Sufies, and say the Taleban are doing a good thing by emulating the Prophet? Do you not believe in soft power then? Why is it then that when Taleban bomb shias, you ask shias to stop insulting sahaba? Where is the non violence then? The thousands of civilians that have been killed by the Taleban, where does that count?
When have you condemned the use of violence by the Taleban on this forum? Please cite examples of your consistent anti-war stance, your consistent condemnation of collateral damage.
Ah. So you're a peaceful person. One who doesnt like violent approaches to problems. Who oppose collateral damage, and doubtless feel sad when innocents die.
Why is it then that when Taleban bomb sufies, you make fun of Sufies, and say the Taleban are doing a good thing by emulating the Prophet? Do you not believe in soft power then? Why is it then that when Taleban bomb shias, you ask shias to stop insulting sahaba? Where is the non violence then?
When Hhve you condemned the use of violence by the Taleban on this forum? Please cite examples of your consistent anti-war stance, your consistent condemnation of collateral damage.
You are a kidding nobody here.
I don't support sectarian Violence. I am against bloodshed. The post you are referering to is " Where I pointed out to the cause of these blasts" and I strongly believe that if that tabarah practice is stopped then bombing will stop too and i can prove it by giving you an example:
As I remember sectarian violence used to be at its peak in Northern Ireland. Always riots would break out when the Protestant minority used to do Orange march in celebration over a historic victory they took over the Catholics. The problem was solved by banning that procession.
Similary, sectarian violence in Pakistan can be stopped too if restrictions are put on shia processions in sunni majority areas. This solution is very logical and had worked in Northern Ireland
Re: Army Soldiers Refusing to Fight Talibans- A New Development
very practical solutions indeed, but that is not what I asked. Did you ever condemn the actions of the Taleban. You are against violence, one would think the logical response would be, while reserving your very useful suggestions for a more suitable time, to also express some condemnation of the violence you are clearly against when used against the Taleban.
Similarly, in the case of the sufi shrine being bombed, you said it wasnt a bad thing, it was something the Prophet did. Was than an expression of non-violence and soft power?
I dont wish to personalize this discussion, however the naked lie of you merely being against violence and opposing collateral damage needs to be countered.
very practical solutions indeed, but that is not what I asked. Did you ever condemn the actions of the Taleban. You are against violence, one would think the logical response would be, while offering your very useful suggestions, to also express some condemnation of the violence you are clearly against when used against the Taleban.
Similarly, in the case of the sufi shrine being bombed, you said it wasnt a bad thing, it was something the Prophet did. Was than an expression of non-violence?
Lets go in private 1 to 1 interview....looks like you have lots of confusions about me. I am Mr Good......they lie about me don't listen to them. ;)
