Army soldier from Punjab stoned to death in Kurram agency for affair

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Army soldier from Punjab stoned to death in Kurram agency for affair

@Med911

bringing into the system sounds great, but then the system thats in place in mainstream Pakistan doesnt inspire much hope either.

There are a few things in which the local people cannot do anything, and that includes constitutional changes in the country to bring FATA under Pakistani judicial system. Have you heard of any place in the world where collective punishments can be given for the crime of a few? Isnt that similar to what the mob did in Badami bagh? The difference is that one is done on an individual basis and the other on the state level. The biggest cause of spread in chaos and extremism in the society is power vacuum (we have seen the impacts of this in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and Egypt). To reduce extremism in FATA, we will need to provide good governance there and improve the judicial system.

Ultimately, these people will have to reform themselves. No amount of inclusion will change their mindset if they themselves dont want to change.

This holds good for all of Pakistan including those living in settled areas.

As horrible as this all sounds, this strict conservative way of life has been a part of the culture of the area far longer then Pakistan has been around.

They could be conservative, but being conservative itself is not that much of an issue. The problem that we have now is extremism in which a big role has been played by our military and intelligence? Can we fully blame the tribals now?

The laws of course should change, but lets not forget that the reason the British formulated these laws was because the Tribal areas were so fiercely independent.

They were independent then and they are independent now. 65 years are a long time, we could have brought them within the framework in a diplomatic and peaceful manner. The rules for FATA are different, if we dont change them we will keep on discussing the same things in the future.

Lets say for example the situation had occurred under a more mainstream dispensation. If the same had occurred and the soldier were judged according to Pakistani law, would he have even been considered to have committed a crime, and if he had, would his punishment have satisfied the tribesmen to the extent that any future incident would be dealt with through the same legal process? I don’t think so. Ultimately, if they are not satisfied with the judgment or the punishment, next time they will simply render justice themselves. So its matter of changing the mindset, and the Pakistani state, which itself has a mindset that isnt quite enlightened, doesnt seem to be up tho the task.

Not exactly stoning, but people are killed through out the country on similar pretexts.

I do not really get your gist of this post, do you think that Pakistan should keep the draconian FCR laws to govern FATA?

As far as I am concerned, I think tribals are also humans and they should be treated will full respect and dignity. FATA should be formed a province or included in KP (referendum can be held to ascertain the decision of the people), FCR should be abolished and Pakistani judicial and constitutional laws be extended to FATA. FATA province is the most important at the moment.

If you guys remember the situation of Gilgit/Baltistan also started deteriorating a few years ago and the reason was due to governance issues. One good thing that the present goverment has done is to convert GB into a province which has improved the situation there.