Arms Race Logic - is there any?

This is a good article and I wonder if anybody can refute the arguments here which pretty much make sense to me. I don’t agree entirely with the issue of dis-arming, my view is that Pakistan should continue to develop missile technology and sell the missiles abroad. I agree though that our arms policy shouldn’t be based on India as there is no good reason for them to attempt to annex Pakistan especially while they have a fundo government at the helm. Military spending needs to be streamlined for the future of Pakistan but whether a military govt is going to cut off it’s own lifeline is debatable.

Time for paradigm shift

M B Naqvi

"The writer is a well-known journalist and freelance columnist

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Following a flurry of news items about an emerging new US-Israel-India axis, rising tide of Indo-Israel military cooperation and Israeli PM Ariel Sharon’s New Delhi visit, Pakistan’s reaction was summed up by Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri: “We will do whatever is required to make sure that the minimum credible balance (with India) is maintained. We have done that for 56 years”. This is a clear declaration of policy that Pakistan will continue to run the arms race with its traditional ‘enemy’.

Given the background of 56 years of cold war, interspersed with four or five wars and half-wars, this is an expected knee-jerk reaction to the emergence of the informal US-Israel-India strategic convergence. US Assistant Secretary of State Ms Rocca has denied its existence, perhaps for the record. This is one of those terminological exactitudes that politicians take recourse to when being really truthful can hurt some of their interests. The trend of growing congruence of strategic perceptions among the governments of the three states is unmistakable. It is like an active living together already, whether or not formal wedding ceremonies have taken place.

There is no doubt it poses a painful dilemma to the ruling establishment of this country. Fifty-year old central plank of Pakistan’s foreign policy was to be loyal camp followers of the US. The latter in return sporadically supported (in 1950s) Pakistan over Kashmir, gave it military aid off and on, always supported the military-led establishment remain in power through the thick of dictatorships or thin of bogus democracies and has underwritten all military dictators, if also at a political price. Now here is a powerful undertow of strategic interests of the US coalescing with those of Israel and India (Pakistan’s ‘enemy’). This is tantamount to the Heavens falling or the earth opening up. Where will these forlorn elites go?

The result of 56 years of cold war and arms races is before us. What has happened in or to India is not germane here. Pakistan now stands quite close to the bottom of the list of countries in terms of Human Development Indicators as a result of running an open-ended cold war with India. Poverty has grown — some say to 33 and some say 43 per cent of the people are living below the poverty line. The stunning prosperity of about 5 per cent of Pakistanis does not compensate for the mass poverty that has been caused by the long cold war and arms races with India. More of the arms races can only worsen the present conditions.

What makes this doubly unacceptable is to assess the chances of acquiring — yes, the aim was to acquire — Kashmir are less bright today than at any time in the past. The top general has said that there is no military solution of Kashmir problem. In fact, so long as sanity prevails neither country can go to war with the other. Then, why start on another long phase of expensive military build up that cannot, repeat cannot, either meaningfully facilitate the resolution of Kashmir tangle or significantly strengthen national security to enable Pakistan to fight a successful war.

Thinking about national security, a sane assessment of the events of 2002 shows that (a) the 56 years long arms build up has left Pakistan far behind India in conventional arms; and as for the Nuclear Deterrent, two facts need to be fully assessed: First, the very Indian threat of invasion in 2002, and it was a credible one, represented the initial failure of the deterrence of that Deterrent and secondly, India adumbrated a new doctrine that India can go ahead with its invasion despite there being Pakistan’s atomic forces. This was, on one hand, daring Pakistan to use the Bomb first and, on the other, reminding Islamabad why would not a larger nuclear deterrent (of India) deter more. The threat was explicit: if Pakistan made a nuclear strike first, Indian response would be so massive as to take out all six or seven major urban-industrial centres of Pakistan. That situation is likely to persist. What will be the point in such a war?

The situation however remains grim. The state of near-war between India and Pakistan has not ended; no peace has been negotiated; and, instead, there are clear indications that India remains committed to the objective of becoming a great military power. Pakistan has declared that it will go on trying to catch up. From a Pakistani viewpoint, the arms race with India is a foolish enterprise. Confront India — the logical result of arms race — in 2004 or 2006, the 2002 syndrome will still be repeated. The issue now is not Kashmir — that has been pushed back to Greek calends, if its solution means its inclusion in Pakistan. The more relevant question is what happens to the people of Pakistan.

If there is war and atomic weapons are used, all of Pakistan is threatened with a return to the Stone Age minus millions who will die. A war without the use of nuclear devices is hard to conceive: the losing side will be sorely tempted to use the Ultimate Weapon. More likely however is the prolongation of non-peace and no war, as of now — all of us only progressively becoming poorer and the elites getting richer — until an implosion destroys extensively.

A nuclear exchange will anyhow be the Big Tragedy. But a limitless vista of India endeavouring to become a military colossus and Pakistan struggling hard to catch up on a faster moving India will have evil consequences too. Both will destroy us in this country: a nuclear war will be a sudden end to what civilisation there is and other physical losses to both. But an indefinite continuance of cold war and arms race will mean inexorably moving towards a social bust up. The worst sufferers in this will be those whose politics and purses are benefiting immensely by this confrontation with India. How real is this danger? Nobody knows for sure. But if it could happen to the USSR, it can happen to Pakistan perhaps quicker because the basic policy orientation — more military spending at the expense of social amenities — is the same.

All of this leads to one major conclusion. It is time to stop confronting India altogether and pursue a policy of reconciliation and friendly cooperation with the Indian people. Allow India, if it wants to have an air force of 4000 top of the line aircrafts, an eight Ocean Navy and two million strong army with ultra modern gadgetry. They will surely pay for those things. Pakistanis should gradually disarm and give up all those juvenile macho notions of militarism and foolish extolling of physical bravery. What they should be concerned with is Pakistan’s survival in safety and honour and mainly engaging in economic and social construction.

Truth to tell. India would pose no radical threat to Pakistan if Pakistan were to de-link with it and ignores India’s infatuation with the notion that military strength alone will make for national greatness. Pakistan should, instead, worry about how much food, shelter, jobs, education and healthcare for its millions of poor it can provide. If Pakistanis do not interfere with its dreams, India will pose no greater threat to Pakistan than it does to Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan or Bangladesh. For the rest, if the Indians go berserk and attack for no reason, Pakistanis will resist as best as they can in addition to what the armed forces might be able to do. War in any case is unlikely.

Let us eradicate dire poverty by guaranteeing jobs to all able-bodied men and women. It is time to undertake this as a constitutional duty of the state: if it cannot provide jobs to all, let the unemployed be paid a social security allowance as a matter of legal right. That will force the state to shift the policy paradigm from national security to people’s social security. That would correct many imbalances at home and make human lives richer in more senses than one. Hopefully, the results of resulting peace dividends might make India change too. But that is up to historical forces.

well I dont agree with this article, simple disarming is not an option for Pakistan.

its better to re unite to india if i go with this MB naqvi. and its not simple at that. Pakistan has never try to match indian ambitions for arms.

Pakistan policy is very clear, to maintain the minimum deterence. The author said it didnt deter india, but in reality it did worked. bottom line is India didnt attack Pakistan!

and it will work for anyother country in the world. Iraq wouldnt have invaded in the first place if it really had WMD's.

I agree because of this Pakistan is not making much progress but mind it, its not because of defence cut only. Pakistan had done very best in 50's and 60's despite the same defence %age of budget. IT was policies and less corruption that pakistan progressed that and it will do best again.

Total disarmament is not a solution for pakistan atleast. we dont have threat from india only, now we have another hostile western front too.

So Pakistan policy is good if not best in the world.

Nations never rise without a stand on national issues. The writer is really a looser!

pakistan can spend as much as north korea in % of budget but would you like to live like north korea? you dont spend 100 billion to protect
the country worth 50 billion.

rvikz a place is worth more than just some monetary value your expert opinion may assign to it.

but then that would be common sense

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rvikz a place is worth more than just some monetary value your expert opinion may assign to it.

but then that would be common sense
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idea is every one has a finite amout of wealth to be spent on defense
beyound which it defeats the purpose.

I think somebody needs to remind Mr. M B Naqvi how imperative our defence is to our nation. The reason the Indians did'nt attack Pakistan in Spring 2002 was because of our capability of minimum deterence, the Isrealis did'nt attack our nuclear facilities like they did in Iraq in early 1980's was because of the fact that they had realised that the Pakistanis would not hesistate to smoke them. No doubt, we need to spend more money on social sectors, but not at the cost of our national integrity...

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Pakistan policy is very clear, to maintain the minimum deterence. The author said it didnt deter india, but in reality it did worked. bottom line is India didnt attack Pakistan!

and it will work for anyother country in the world. Iraq wouldnt have invaded in the first place if it really had WMD's.

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I don't see any incentive for India to attack Pakistan while there is a Hindu revivalist govt in power. Even if we had no army, would the world stand by and watch them just roll in and annex the country? Besides, what good would it do the BJP? With millions more muslims in their fold, they would lose the next election. Does that make sense?

About the weapons of mass destruction, I agree, that's why I said that we should continue to develop missile technology but we have to scale back on military expenditure overall. If strengthening the military is at the expense of your own citizens then what's the point?

Incidentally I posted this in the Politics section originally because I was not looking at military hardware as such, rather the political and social consequences of having such a high military budget.

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I don't see any incentive for India to attack Pakistan while there is a Hindu revivalist govt in power. Even if we had no army, would the world stand by and watch them just roll in and annex the country? Besides, what good would it do the BJP? With millions more muslims in their fold, they would lose the next election. Does that make sense?

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if we dont have army , world will stay and watch it and will accept a joined greater india again. there is no one who care about pakistan. what will US get to librate pakistan in that case??

hindu revival also includes a AKHAND BHAHRAT and they do beleive in it.

what do you expect any sense or any logic from people who just can demolish masjids ?

even if it doesnt invade us, we have to comply its demands on its own terms. like everywhere in the world, eg like US does everyday.

I agree with you to cut armay expenses. cause we have nuke now, i dont see any sharp increas in defence budget, its should be cut down to minimal level but not to zero.

You have to get out the mind set that it was Pakistan's deterrent capabilities that prevented the Indian response to Pakistani support of terrorism. It was Rajat Gupta, Narayanmurthi, Gurcharan Das, K.V> Kamath, Azim Premji and like who prevented the war. Business drives Indian politics now not some 50 yr old religious idiocy.

Well actually business and religious idiocy drives Indian politics right now but it's a minor quibble. The point is, as far as Pakistan is concerned, where are we headed as a nation by spending so much of our capital on guarding against a non-existent threat?

Mr Xtreme can u elaborate on why you calling it a non-existent threat. Thanks

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Mr Xtreme can u elaborate on why you calling it a *non-existent threat
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He obviously thinks that the military anlysts and tactical experts are wrong. Little does he know that the slightest border skirmishes can result in a full scale war.

This arms race is necessary to keep a balance of power.

I already elaborated on why the threat is non-existent. What logic is there for the Indian govt to pursue Akhand Bharat when it will lead to their fall from power? The nukes are more than enough to deter India, miltary and tactical experts are just keeping themselves in a job by diverting Pakistan's resources to the army.

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The nukes are more than enough to deter India, miltary and tactical experts are just keeping themselves in a job by diverting Pakistan's resources to the army.
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Oh, and these nukes arent part of the arms race eh?

btw, if we were rendered defenceless, there would be no america to protect us from India, and the rest of the world is already impotent in that regards, what can they do?

Don't you read my posts before answering? I didn't say we should be rendered defenceless, I said that we should maintain our missile programme and cut back in other areas, like reducing the number of Generals who seem to spend more time running Pakistan Cricket or Hockey than doing what they are supposed to. Or how about NOT putting in that multi-million dollar order for the new F-16s or whatever from the US?

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Don't you read my posts before answering? I didn't say we should be rendered defenceless, I said that we should maintain our missile programme and cut back in other areas, like reducing the number of Generals who seem to spend more time running Pakistan Cricket or Hockey than doing what they are supposed to. Or how about NOT putting in that multi-million dollar order for the new F-16s or whatever from the US?
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Extreme, obviously you have limited knowledge on Pakistan's military... The generals you are referring to are retired, now retired generals dont have a say in the arms race. Your opinion is totally based on just one retired general, just because youre a cricket fan, and if you were in Pakistan, you would see that some retired military personal handling civils posts rather well.

Furthermore, do you know who people like Brig Sajawal etc are? These people are necessary to keep a nuclear program running. You cant just have a handful of people running, maintaining and protecting nuclear programs. Even if you say just the nukes minus the army are enough to keep india off, you have to realize we just got these nukes, we had to survive those 50 years without them too, and didnt we have wars in those 50 years?

As for your comment on buying fighter planes, you obviously do not know the PAF is in dire need of them. We have good fighter pilots, more coming in from risalpur, but we need the planes too.

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You have to get out the mind set that it was Pakistan's deterrent capabilities that prevented the Indian response to Pakistani support of terrorism. It was Rajat Gupta, Narayanmurthi, Gurcharan Das, K.V> Kamath, Azim Premji and like who prevented the war. Business drives Indian politics now not some 50 yr old religious idiocy.
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Another foolish post!!! Why do you chaps feel that India is the great democarcy you, you are willing to critise pakistan for its massive spending to protectit s borders!!! However why do you all "India" need to spend massive ammounts of money to upgrade your military arsenal and its deliverence and operational capabilities???

Self Survival... Jees sometime people can be so bilnd!!!

Does India spend 45% of it's budget on the military? Do you see the difference?

^Actually its something around 39%, I agree with you Xtremo, Pakistan's budgetary priorities are seriously messed up. I don't agree with massive cuts but serious reforms and reduction of the size of the Armed forces would help, but realistically if more is spent on the average person you will definitely see an increase in revenue and an increase in real spending on defence.

Since it's already been done i don't mind the spending.. but they better earn the money back.. get the army to Iraq or wherever Uncle Sam wants them and get some money.. develop our skills at arms manufacturing and export heavily.. if you're gonna invest money into the army.. it better be a profitable venture..