Armour of Baloch Hero Chakar e Azam

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rubbish ur so called haibat khan niazi killed one of the sons of mir chakar rind in multan when mir chakar rind knew about that he killed haibat khan niazi fashioned his head into a bowl and had water in it

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40,000 baloch under the command of mir chakar rind crushed afghans in delhi during the era of Mughal emperor humayun got it mr marwati anti-baloch propaganda!

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That is fictional account of baloch folk songs. Haibat Khan Niazi and his family was killed in kashmir by forces of Islam Shah suri. All sources, Afghan, Hindu, Persian and Mughal sources testify that.

Sources:

  • Studies in Mughal History By Ashvini Agrawal page 66
  • A History of India Under the Two First Sovereigns of the House of Taimu , page 455
  • Mughal Empire in India: A Systematic Study Including Source Material, Volume 1 By S.R. Sharma, page 127
  • Caroe. The Pathans, p. 145-46
  • Shershah Sur and his dynasty by Iqtidar Husain Siddiqi, page 115
  • Himu, the Hindu “Hero” of Medieval India: Against the Background of Afghan … By Sunil Kumar Sarker
  • Rise and Fall of the Mughal Empire, Volume 1, page 147, by Ram Prasad Tripathi

Mir Chakar rind and his marauding bands were eliminated by Haibat khan Niazi during sher shah suri period when he was governor. To stop further incursions and plundering expeditions from baluchistan, three baluch chiefs feteh, ghazi and ismael khan were given rule of derajat by afghans.

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what does chakar mean? is it chakkar? aisaa naam to pahle kabhii nahiiN sunaa…kia yeh koii laqab hai? :hmmm:

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its true that some baloch tribes joined the army of sher shah suri as they were against mir chakar rind but these arese were given to them baloch sardars by Langha dynasty not sher shah suri

Malik Sohrab Dodai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and what the prove that haibat khan niazi was killed by islam shah show me prove mir chakar rind was not killed by anyone, he died natural death

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Even your Wikipedia quote doesn’t mention Mir chakar any where. Like i said he was already in the grave when humayun invaded india in 1555.
Mir Chahak was a bandit and an outlaw and he devastated southern Punjab solely for purpose of loot. People of Punjab didnt mourn his death.

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but it did talk about baloch tribes rights mir chakar rind was a mercenary not dako or looter like ahmed shah pathan, who joined humayun with his baloch army against suri afghans in delhi and crushed them

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Islam shah suri was son of sher shah suri. And he killed his father's general haibat khan much later after death of mir chakar, it doesnt prove your assertion that mir chakar, the marauder, drank wine in the skull of haibat khan niazi. Haibat khan killed mir chakar when sher shah suri was alive. He was requested by people of punjab to get rid of the marauders of Mir Chakar.

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not at all i don't believe ur afghan version of history as u dont believe mine ye to kohi prove nai howa

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Baloch as well as Afghan and Persian mercenaries were available for humayun to recruit but the main body of his army was comprised of his own mughals. Mir chakar rind was not alive at that time and mughals didnt know if any person by name of Mir chakar exists, afterall he was an insignificant bandit chief.
The true and important allies of mughals in Punjab were ghakkars of potohars who had enmity with suris. Ghakkars assisted mughals and that is documented fact. Ghakkars are even mentioned by babur in his baburnama and all the mughal, afghans and indian sources have documented the contribution of ghakkars to mughals, they were not mercenaries so they were rewarded unlike your few hundreds baloch mercenaries.

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It is documented by ferishta, historian of mughal court. As well as by hindu accounts.
The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians: The Muhammadan Period - Sir Henry Miers Elliot - Google Books
History Of India Under Humayun - William Erskine - Google Books

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my point is baloch were part of humayun's army even the sister of mir chakar rind bibi banri was with him when he crushed afghans in delhi with mughals me ap se or behas nai karna chata i think u have some mental problem go see a doctor bye

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Mughal accounts do not mention any bibi banri.

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according to u haibat khan naizai killed mir chakar rind in multan and he was not alive when mughal humayun conquered delhi defeating suri afghani according to ur fictional story but mir chakar rind died in 1565 in Satghara district of okara punjab not in multan thats why mir chakar rinds shrine is also in satghara okara not in multan stupid he died way after mughal emperor conquered delhi with the help of mir chakar rind along with his baloch army

rind baloch still live in large numbers in sahiwal which was given to mir chakar rind by emperor humayun for helping him against suri afghani, baloch also live in oakara lots of rind baloch live in other arease of punjab like muzafargarh and so on and u said sher shah suri gave dodai baloch dg khan and dera ismail khan to counter rind baloch hahaha ! ye fact hai k haibat khan niazi ne rind balochun per foj kushi ki thi multan me or mir chakar rind k son ko b mara tha multan me but rind baloch took multan back from haibat khan niazi even today lots of rind baloch live in multan and other baloch tribes like lashari and so on also live in it but there is no niazi or any other afghan tribe in multan or any other area of punjab jo k shoroo se odar rete hun except miawali , han bad me aahen hain pathan 2001 me fata war k bad lakin baloch to bohat shroo se multan me rete howe arahe hain multan hi nai balkay pooray punjab me rind baloch and some other baloch tribes live and even rind and some other baloch tribes live in miawali which is niazi pathan majority area if u dont believe me can ask ur own nizai if they have baloch living in miawali or not even some niazi call themselves baloch a gopang siraki told me :stuck_out_tongue:

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so who had a last word?

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It became like Whermacht Versus Royal Army :)

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:hehe:

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History and the way how people associate to it. For some one group is hero while other is a looter, please ask those who have been looted/marauded by both groups. If Ahmed shah Abdali or suri are heroes what's the issue with considering chakar as one?

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How come we can approach those people, as history was always written by conquerors.

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I was referring to the current chakar/anti chakar debate.