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Pardon me for saying it Muqawwee bhai, but it rather seems strange that Chakar Khan is considered hero among Baloch when all he was involved in was tribal warfare, quite similar to that of Arab tribalism.
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Quite an exaggeration considering that the whole population of Balochistan is less than 10% of Pakistan population and that includesa huge number of pashtuns as well may be 40%. Similarly population of south punjab is very small compared to north punjab, and even if you include Baloch tribes of south Punjab and Sindh i doubt Baloch population could be more than 10-15% of Pakistan.
Baloch tribes are spead throughout Punjab, but like I mentioned before its not easy to account for them now as they'd consider themselves Punjabis now. As far as Baloch's in Sindh are concerned, they form around 40 % of the population there.
Re: Armour of Baloch Hero Chakar e Azam
Pardon me for saying it Muqawwee bhai, but it rather seems strange that Chakar Khan is considered hero among Baloch when all he was involved in was tribal warfare, quite similar to that of Arab tribalism.
true, but I didn't find it strange because in our part of world, warriors are always treated like heroes. Even many of consider outsider invaders their heroes :)
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anything wrong in post?
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anything wrong in post?
people considering invaders as their heroes..................:D
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Kaunse news channel ka ad kar rahe hain aap?
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Kaunse news channel ka ad kar rahe hain aap?
Indus News :D
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people considering invaders as their heroes..................:D
In case of baloch's Chakkar Khan was a local, not an invader...being a Punjabi myself, didnt know he was buried in Punjab.
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Baloch tribes are spead throughout Punjab, but like I mentioned before its not easy to account for them now as they'd consider themselves Punjabis now. As far as Baloch's in Sindh are concerned, they form around 40 % of the population there.
one can know from thier caste anf family name
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true, but I didn't find it strange because in our part of world, warriors are always treated like heroes. Even many of consider outsider invaders their heroes :)
True but then they feel those warriors did something for their cause but internal fighting & killing thousands of fellow tribesmen, thats doesn't seem heroworthy.
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^ yes thats true, there are many more Pashtuns and Kashmiris in Punjab though.
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True but then they feel those warriors did something for their cause but internal fighting & killing thousands of fellow tribesmen, thats doesn't seem heroworthy.
Ahmed Shah Abdali is hero of Muslims of India- Pakistan, though he didn't spare Muslims of that time and Bulleh Shah had said for him:
Khahda peeta lahe da te baqi Ahmad Shahe da" (Consume as much as you can because the rest is going to be taken away by Ahmad Shah anyway).***
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^ That goes for all muslim invaders including moghuls.
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^ That goes for all muslim invaders including moghuls.
Even otherwise in tribal societies like Balochistan heroism is connected with war and warriors. The most popular characters form Iran (adjacent area to Balochistan) are Rustom o Suhraab :D
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^ Baloch's are somehow proud of their martial nature, and maybe thats the reason for revering Chakkar e Azam.
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^ Baloch's are somehow proud of their martial nature, and maybe thats the reason for revering Chakkar e Azam.
we are completely proud of our martial nature Mir chakar had spiritual powers he used to worship Allah in a place where no human could reach Mir Chakar Rind was Mureed of Sheikh Abdul Qadir jilani cause his ancestors had payala of Sheikh Abdul Qadir jilani in baghdad making all Rind baloch his Mureed
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Pardon me for saying it Muqawwee bhai, but it rather seems strange that Chakar Khan is considered hero among Baloch when all he was involved in was tribal warfare, quite similar to that of Arab tribalism.
Also involved in loot and plundering which was a norm in those days. South Punjab was devastated by plundering expeditions of Mir Chakar , for many he was nothing more than Dacoit chief. According to contemporary sources ,The governor of Punjab and Multan ,Haibat khan during Sher Shah suri period, put an end to incursions of Mi chakar into Punjab and killed him.
To counter the encroachments of Rinds into Punjab, three baloch sardars, Ismael khan, fateh khan and ghazi khan were given the region of derajat by Suris. The claim of Mir Chakar joining forces with humayun and going with him to india , is pure myth and fiction, that only exists in baloch folk songs and poems, he was already dead by that time. Mughal sources do not mention any person by name of Mir chakar rind accompanying them to Delhi. On the other hand, ghakkar tribe of potohar, helping babur and humayun against afghans, is a solid fact.
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The Tajpuri Baloch are descended from Nahar Khan, who is said to have from Seistan during the rule of Alauddin Khilji. Nahar Khan was latter appointed governor of Deccan, and his son Sardar Khan founded a settlement in Ganaura Shaikh, and the family rose to some prominence during the rule of the Aurangzeb. While the Jhajhar family claim descent from Syed Mohammad Khan, a Leghari Baluch, who was granted a jagir by the Mughal Emperor Humayun. They played a key role in the post-Mughal history of the Doab region, but began to decline with the rise of British power in the 19th century.[SUP][2]](Baluch (Uttar Pradesh) - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluch_(Uttar_Pradesh)
Humayun expected aid from the Emir of Sindh, Hussein Umrani, whom he had appointed and who owed him his allegiance. The Emir Hussein Umrani welcomed Humayun’s presence and was loyal to Humayun just as he had been loyal to Babur against the renegade Arghuns. Whilst in the oasis garrison of Umerkot in Sindh, Hamida gave birth to Akbar on 25 October 1542, the heir-apparent to the 34-year old Humayun. The date was special because Humayun consulted his Astronomer to utilize the astrolabe and check the location of the planets.
While in Sindh, Humayun alongside Emir Hussein Umrani, gathered horses and weapons and formed new alliances that helped regain lost territories. Until finally Humayun had gathered hundreds of Sindhi and Baloch tribesmen alongside his Mughals and then marched towards Kandahar and later Kabul, thousands more gathered by his side as Humayun continually declared himself the rightful Timurid heir of the first Mughal Emperor Babur.
Retreat to Kabul
After Humayun set out from his expedition in Sindh, along with 300 camels (mostly wild) and 2000 loads of grain, he set off to join his brothers in Kandahar after crossing the Indus River on 11 July 1543 along with the ambition to regain the Mughal Empire and overthrow the Suri dynasty. Among the tribes that had sworn allegiance to Humayun were the Magsi, Rind and many others.