So what are your thoughts?Do you think pakistani men dominate their women? I do not mean to imply all Pakistani men rather the majority of our society, nor am I running a comparison with any other nationality. I would like a poll if I could on this topic. Also I would appreciate it if people stated their gender while answering this question. I am a woman and I think in Pakistani society women are persecuted mostly through cultural means and at times through selective use of religion . However I would like to know what most Pakistani men and women here think. Also this question is working on the assumption that women are subjugated in Pakistani society. If you find this assumption to be skewed share your thoughts.
Re: Are women subjugated in Pakistani society?
Unfortunately in Pakistan , there are not 13 13 years old mothers , 9 9 years old fathers , worst under-age sex rate like Britain , neither high schools girls in Pakistan are provided with anti-pregnancy pills by the school officals , school students grilling each other in school bathrooms and class rooms, such hymen repairing surgeries and abortion statistics rates as in US, Canada and Europe and many among desi girls living in US and Europe , Canada etc and neither in Pakistan , it is notified in hotel rooms that kindly dont go outside like in NYC like cities after 8 pm and prefer your life over your honour , neither in Pakistan where 8 to 10 hours loadshedding such things happened which happens once in a year electric breakdown in US in lifts , shopping malls with women , neither in Pakistan , women are considered as sex slave ,neither out of every 10 girls , 7 girls loose thier virginity by reaching age of 18 and mostly by thier own family members , nor stripping clubs and porn industry and after 40+ , thrown to old houses
Pakistan is not utopia , many things happened here but one should feel shame in pointing fingers on others without knowing what actually happens right under thier nose
bye
Re: Are women subjugated in Pakistani society?
in this case pakistan is right under my nose.
Re: Are women subjugated in Pakistani society?
dont say silly things if you have no logic to stand in front of truth and keep your ranting about Pakistani women to yourself.I know better what happened to women in the name of 'psuedo freedom' in West .
Re: Are women subjugated in Pakistani society?
If you take a look at a good percentage of Desi marriages, its the husband who decides whether the wife can work. The husband who gives the wife an "allowance" of money. He decides where and how they live and whether the wife can go out and who with. In cases like this, yes I think Desi women are subjugated to men. Thats not to say that its a majority since I really dont know percentages here. But my personal take is that marriage should be a partnership, a true partnership where both husband and wife have equal say in what they do and how they live.
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DB, the discussion here is regarding whether Desi women are subjugated to men...not a discussion about how Desi culture is so much better than western culture.
Re: Are women subjugated in Pakistani society?
no, they are not...women have not been born to work. It's duty of man and as long as he can provide enough for the family, THERE IS NO REASON I COULD THINK OF WHY A WOMAN WOULD WANT TO WORK! maybe, because she wants to be like man? harharhar
Then go to Saudi Arabia, where woman till today are not allowed to have a driving license :D
harharharhar...they are not allowed to go out alone...harharharhar...and this is the country where the best Prophet (saw) had been born? harharharhar!
no, they are not...women have not been born to work. It's duty of man and as long as he can provide enough for the family, THERE IS NO REASON I COULD THINK OF WHY A WOMAN WOULD WANT TO WORK! maybe, because she wants to be like man? harharhar
harrrharrrrdyharrharrr!!!
If you cant think of a reason why a woman would possibly want to work, why not ask her?
If a man dictates how a woman lives her life and what she can and cannot do, thats subjugation my friend.
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he does not dictate...even the qur'an dictates what man has to do and what woman has to do...I guess most man are only following the law of Qur'an. I mean did the wives of Muhammad Mustafa work except in the household? Did they ever complain? Who provided them with food, clothes, money, shelter?
don't come down here and tell me that this is subjogation...does the Qur'an - when we are honest - not subjugate us?
he does not dictate...even the qur'an dictates what man has to do and what woman has to do...I guess most man are only following the law of Qur'an. I mean did the wives of Muhammad Mustafa work except in the household? Did they ever complain? Who provided them with food, clothes, money, shelter?
don't come down here and tell me that this is subjogation...does the Qur'an - when we are honest - not subjugate us?
you are obviously too stupid for this discussion.
^lol
Desert Bird where have i said in my initial post that only pakistani women are subjugated in this world? or even implied that? I am a pakistani, this a is a pakistani forum, majority here is pakistani, cant we discuss the women of our country and their rights without feeling insecure? If you think logically it is better we discuss the situation than others. Truly, saying women suffer in west so end of this topic is bizarre, why should pakistani women and their situation always be scrutinised in comparison? Why cant we have our own standarads here and look at the situation by those?Dont you have anything that you have seen in your experience that you think can add to discussion here?
So far only an american has seriously contributed to this discussion, i think that right there is nugget about our attitude . So Mama far as my experience is in pakistan, the lower income strata has many women in work force, vast majority in manual labour (maids,tailors,nannies,skilled in handicraft). That makes the majority i think. The legal procedures are not readily available to them and then there is the middleclass which is in my opinion still fighting the traditional mindset ,mind that is different from religious mindset.
he does not dictate...even the qur'an dictates what man has to do and what woman has to do...I guess most man are only following the law of Qur'an. I mean did the wives of Muhammad Mustafa work except in the household? Did they ever complain? Who provided them with food, clothes, money, shelter?
don't come down here and tell me that this is subjogation...does the Qur'an - when we are honest - not subjugate us?
yes but how far does the majority of pakistan follow those standarads? What of the women who work? maids for one thing, every household has one or two. Quran also says a thing or two about violence against women.Were the wives of Prophet pbuh ever belted for not getting the cooking right or talking back? can you seriously claim that doesnt happen in our society? I hardly think there isn't any serious effort in our society to get rid of that mentality. What of the rights of women while inheriting? What of them in education(since educating a women is equal to educating one generation, this is the islamic concept)? What about the respect that an average person shows to his mother(bear in mind again the lower to lowest level here) is that following per quran? What of the rights that a wife has? or a daughter? Dont you feel in pakistan what is happening with women has nothing to do with the Quran, there are the rural areas.Many ulemas are of the opinion that women are supressed in the current system,i remember a distinct interview by mufti taqi usmani on the matter when he said that most women are deprived of their legal inheritance in our country.
Unfortunately in Pakistan , there are not 13 13 years old mothers , 9 9 years old fathers , worst under-age sex rate like Britain , neither high schools girls in Pakistan are provided with anti-pregnancy pills by the school officals , school students grilling each other in school bathrooms and class rooms, such hymen repairing surgeries and abortion statistics rates as in US, Canada and Europe and many among desi girls living in US and Europe , Canada etc and neither in Pakistan , it is notified in hotel rooms that kindly dont go outside like in NYC like cities after 8 pm and prefer your life over your honour , neither in Pakistan where 8 to 10 hours loadshedding such things happened which happens once in a year electric breakdown in US in lifts , shopping malls with women , neither in Pakistan , women are considered as sex slave ,neither out of every 10 girls , 7 girls loose thier virginity by reaching age of 18 and mostly by thier own family members , nor stripping clubs and porn industry and after 40+ , thrown to old houses
Pakistan is not utopia , many things happened here but one should feel shame in pointing fingers on others without knowing what actually happens right under thier nose
bye
WOW GR8 POST. SOUNDS LIKE GR8HEERA.
dont say silly things if you have no logic to stand in front of truth and keep your ranting about Pakistani women to yourself.I know better what happened to women in the name of 'psuedo freedom' in West .
AGREE WITH YOU.
If you take a look at a good percentage of Desi marriages, its the husband who decides whether the wife can work. The husband who gives the wife an "allowance" of money. He decides where and how they live and whether the wife can go out and who with. In cases like this, yes I think Desi women are subjugated to men. Thats not to say that its a majority since I really dont know percentages here. But my personal take is that marriage should be a partnership, a true partnership where both husband and wife have equal say in what they do and how they live.
M aren't you talking about some. The scenery you are making by siting here is so wrong. Few and some cases are like that.
Everything even in this free country (Everything free; free of dress, free of love, free of education and talents and many more) happens too but bad things are more here than in Pakistan.
In our religion Ladies have to listen to her husband and He is the Sirbarah of the family and he does everything.
Wouldn't you like if you provide everything to someone that they have to follow you?
no, they are not...women have not been born to work. It's duty of man and as long as he can provide enough for the family, THERE IS NO REASON I COULD THINK OF WHY A WOMAN WOULD WANT TO WORK! maybe, because she wants to be like man? harharhar
Totaly Agree. Why would woman go to work if she gets enough.
he does not dictate...even the qur'an dictates what man has to do and what woman has to do...I guess most man are only following the law of Qur'an. I mean did the wives of Muhammad Mustafa work except in the household? Did they ever complain? Who provided them with food, clothes, money, shelter?
don't come down here and tell me that this is subjogation...does the Qur'an - when we are honest - not subjugate us?
Exactly.
But Mama of 3 chichoran girls don't listen to her husband love to live among and seen by the men. That is why. They want to go to work.
Big Boi you are telling this to Mama of 3 who is a gori not a muslim. Yes she did marry a Muslim as she says but I think he didn't tell her what's in his religion. Again Goray themselves don't follow their bible at all so how can they listen about quran says?
you are obviously too stupid for this discussion.
May be according to you.
But he is saying what is right.
yes but how far does the majority of pakistan follow those standarads? What of the women who work? maids for one thing, every household has one or two. Quran also says a thing or two about violence against women.Were the wives of Prophet pbuh ever belted for not getting the cooking right or talking back? can you seriously claim that doesnt happen in our society? I hardly think there isn't any serious effort in our society to get rid of that mentality. What of the rights of women while inheriting? What of them in education(since educating a women is equal to educating one generation, this is the islamic concept)? What about the respect that an average person shows to his mother(bear in mind again the lower to lowest level here) is that following per quran? What of the rights that a wife has? or a daughter? Dont you feel in pakistan what is happening with women has nothing to do with the Quran, there are the rural areas.Many ulemas are of the opinion that women are supressed in the current system,i remember a distinct interview by mufti taqi usmani on the matter when he said that most women are deprived of their legal inheritance in our country.
So are you trying to say women doesn't get education in Pakistan?
Aren't you talking about few or some or very few Paindoos.
^ 50% of population is illeterate(men and women both) .that makes it 1 in every 2 people. Would you say that is a very few? And by the way the census is conducted is by the means of of checking if a person can write their name. Any idea how many schools are in rural ares of pakistan? any idea of the population that lives in those rural areas? this isnt few.