Rani, didn't you say;
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The first step to toleration is to reconganize all human beings are equal.
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and then you said;
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Baby or human killing muslim (the one in Toronto and Pakistan) and all others who commit similar crimes are equally bad.
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so why not recognise baby sacrificing devil worshippers as equal?
Xtreme forget comparing them with “baby-sacrificing-devil-worshippers”.
Can you please compare these so-called ‘superior’ Muslims with “ahmadi-killing-jannat-milling-mullah-worshippers”?
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We can compare our selves to an inferior nation like Hindus. Atleast this will be a win win situation for us.
chilli Rani I hope you will read this very carefuly.
Description from Vedas talking about Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w).
One hindu research professor, in his stunning book, claims that
description of avatar found in the holy books of hindu religion is in
fact that of the prophet muhammad(s.a.w). A little while ago, in India a
fact revealing book has been published, which has been the topic of
discussions and gossip, allover the country. Amazingly the author of this
book is a fair-minded famous professor, who happens to be a Hindu. His
name is Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book
is "kalki avtar". The author is a hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali
origin. He is a research scholar, a seeker of the truth and a well known
pundit in allahabad university. After years of research work, he published
this book and other eight pundits have endorsed and certified his points
of argument as authentic.
According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the
guide and the leader, named kalki avatar, fits that of prophet
Muhammad(so.a.w)of Arabia. So the Hindus of the whole world should look
into this new information not wait any longer for the arrival of
kalki avatar (the spirit) as he already arrived 1400 years ago. The
author produces following sound evidences from the vedas and other holy
books of Hindu religion in support of his claim:-
In purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that kalki avatar
would be the last messenger of god in this world for the guidance of the
whole world and all human beings. (according to Islam, prophet Muhammad
(s.a.w) is also considered the last messenger of god in this world who was
sent to guide all human beings).
According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of kalki
avatar,would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu
religion is Arab region.
In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of kalki
avatar are given as vishnubhagat and sumaani respectively. if we
examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting
conclusion: take vishnubhagat vishnu (meaning god) + bhagat(meaning
slave)= slave of god Allah (god) + abd (slave in Arabic) = slave of god
(Abdullah in Arabic name of Mohammed's father) sumaani = peace or calmness
aamenah(Arabic) =peace or calmness (name of mother of prophet Muhammad
(s.a.w)
In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food
of kalki avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest
and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the prophet Muhammad
(s.a.w) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.
It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu religion) that the birth
of kalki avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly
fits the quraysh where the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) belonged to. (very
honorable clan for more details u can read the history of prophet(s.a.w)
to see the qualities that they possessed which made them one of the
strongest clans).
God would teach kalki avatar through his messenger (angel) in a
cave. Allah taught prophet Muhammad (s.a.w), through is messenger angel
jibraeel(gabreal) in a cave known as gaar-e-hiraa(a cave in mount hiraa).
God would avail kalki avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and
travel the whole world and the seven skies. indication of
buraaque(horse) and me'raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven
skies).
God would also avail kalki avatar with divine help. This was
particularly proved in the battle of uhud.
Another dazzling account given about kalki avatar was that he would
be born on the 12th of a month. whereas the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)was
born on the 12th of the rabiul awwal (Islamic calendar).
Kalki avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman.
The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses
and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. so it
would be foolish on the part of those who still expect kalki avatar, who
should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come. in fact, the divine
book, holy qur'aan contains qualities and signs attributed to kalki avatar
reflecting on the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). if the author of this book
were a Muslim, he could have been arrested or he could have been murdered
and all the copies of this book would have been confiscated. even a ban
would have been extended on its further publications. A riot and violence
would have broken out against innocent Muslims and their blood would have
been
shed. (these are just some of the things that could have happened as
Muslims would be accused of false propaganda etc). However, these facts
are verified and supported by the eight eminent pundits. what the author
and the eight other eminent pundits say is that the Hindus who are still
anxiously awaiting the arrival of kalki avatar are simply subjecting
themselves to a never ending pain.
because such a great messenger has come and departed from this world
fourteen centuries ago.
Wassalam
Chili AND OTHER HINDUS I HAVE SOME INTRESTING FACTS ABOUT YOUR DEAR RELIGEON, PLEASE READ AND DENY IF YOU CAN.
Hindu Gods
Lord Krishna:
The cataclysmic Mahabharata War was engineered by this `god'. Lord Krishna was also very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon a time Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin girls, went to the extent of hiding their clothes on the tree tops just to get a panoramic view. Does he obtain divine immunity from looking at a naked woman?
The Gita, a Holy Book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing low caste girls (gopis, or Sudra cow-herdesses) begged for the return of their clothes. Lord Krishna demanded that they come out of the water with their hands raised instead of covering their bodies. Oh my innocent Hindu brethren! Can this action be attributed to a god? Is this god capable of indulging in such ungodly acts? These acts of Krishna are the exact mirror of the later Brahmin exploitation of Sudra women in the huge Devadasi temples.
Lord Shiva and Ginesh:
According to Hinduism, god Shiva's head is the source of the river Ganges and his head is also the place where the moon is located. (If this was really a fact then why should America send astronaut Neil Armstrong 240,000 miles away to the moon ?).
According to Puranans, goddess Parvathi, wife of god Shiva, sought Shiva's permission to have a baby. When Shiva refused, Parvathi took dirt from her body and created Lord Ganesh. (The late E.V.R. Periar used to call this god a "bundle of dirt").
Later God Shiva mistakenly chopped off his own son's head. How could a "god" make such a foolish mistake? Would such a god solve your problems or make them more complicated?
To rectify his error God Shiva severed the head of a baby elephant and transplanted it onto his son who then became known as the Elephant-headed god.
Kali Goddess of Violence:
A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess Kali in India. Another of AFP's recent reports say: hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali.
The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali ensures a man the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to these gods or goddesses, either to appease them or to ask favours of them.
Bihar's police chief J. Sahay said: "We have tried our best to curb human sacrifices, but what can an agency do when an entire village chooses a victim and cuts off his head with his parent's consent."
Rama A STUPID God:
Rama, like an ordinary man, fell down into the river and DROWNED (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 106). How can a "god" die? Who will then look after the affairs of the world? When "god" Rama was exiled to the forest together with his wife, Sukrievan appeared as a deer and fooled "god" Rama. Although Rama was a "god", he was not able to see through Sukrievan's disguise.
Rama called his father "a FOOL, an IDIOT" (Ayodhya Kandam, 53 rd Chapter).
Rama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off their noses, breasts, ears, etc. and tortured them (Soorpanagai, Ayomuki). Rama said, "Women should not be trusted" and that "Secret sshould not be confided to the wife". (Ayodhya Kandam, Chapter 100). Sambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to him by Vedas as he was a "Shudra". (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 76).
Looking at his hand Rama said the Sanskrit slogan "Oh right hand, you kill this Asche Shudra unhesitatingly as killing this Shudra is the only way to get back the life of the deceased Brahmin boy. Are you not one of the limbs of Rama?" (Valmiki Ramayanam)
Prostitution in HINDU Religeon:
Devadasism is a system of legalised rape, enforced prostitution and sexual expoitation of Black Sudra women by Brahmin men.
The Brahmins/RSS drink cow's urine as if it is a DAILY TONIC. Also some of the staunch followers of Balasaheb drink his urine believing it to be a gift of GOD.
Lingam and Yoni are the male and female sexual organs respectively. Hindus are allowed to worship anything - including sexual organs. It is not unknown for them to name their children Shiva Lingam (God Shiva's sexual organ) or Rama Lingam (God Rama's sexual organ). (In some places in Karnataka, the gods demand both male and females to pray naked together.)
Rama's description of Sita's beauty is lewdly detailed and full of obscene details (refer to C.R. Srinivasalyengar's translation of Aranya Kandam - chapter 46).
This shows the truly lecherous nature of Rama, who considered women as mere sexual objects.
In Kiskind Kandam, the great' Rama of thewonderful' religion of Hinduism explains to Lakshmana in graphic details his sexual experience with Sita.
This shows that Rama was a pornographer and lecher to boot. Not only did he seduce Sita, but had to tell the whole world about it ! He viewed marriage simply as a means of fulfilment of base passions. The intelligence, her virtues and personality do not count.
According to Ramayana, the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor (of nine different kinds), eat meat, marry many wives and prostitution was an accepted way of life amongst the priests and gods.
Vedic Female Infanticide:
1.1 million girls are killed each year due to the Brahmin-enforced customs of Vedic female infanticide .
Indeed, so deep-rooted is the desire for male children that the Vedas prescribe numerous prayers for male offspring :
Atharva Veda.6.2.3 : " Let a female child be born somewhere else; here, let a male child be born."
-- Ath.Ved.VI.2.3 ] cf. Peri ]
These verses were recited whenever an Aryan couple wished to have a child,
I wonder Chili and Rani if your parents recited the above verse. But Alas!
The Hindus claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and understand the difficulties of mankind. Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate Himself? Can He not understand His creation? Why should God become a donkey or a cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures?
THE RIVER GANGES : Hindus are dumping half-cremated bodies, and the ashes of these corpses, into River Ganges for their salvation as ordered by the Hindu scriptures. In other words the Holy Ganges water is a human soup! This has made the Ganges water polluted and a breeding ground for numerous diseases.
All Hindu people I have few questions for you:
What good has Hinduism done for India?
Does Hinduism have the answers for todays problems? Alcoholism - Drugs- Divorce - Suicide etc.
To these gods move, think or speak?
Can they defend themselves if attacked; or mend themselves if broken?
Don't you think it foolish to worship these manmade objects?
Does India belong to the Indians (95 %) or the Brahmins (5%)?
Did Hinduism originate in India itself or did it come with the Aryans via the Khyber Pass?
Can a person convert and become a Brahmin?
What is the relationship between the Aryans of India (Brahmins) and the Aryans of Germany (Hitler's Nazis)?
Why do the Brahmins and Nazis have the same symbol - the Swastika? (Look at the racist National Front symbols in South Africa).
Ask yourself who is your God? Is it Shiva, who has the moon and river Ganges on his head and who could not identify his own son? Or is it Rama who couldn't see through Sukrievan's disguise and who murdered another god? Or could it be Krishna, the "playboy god"?
Can you still compare your religeon with anyother religeon in the world.
such venom. such ignorance.
„h What good has Hinduism done for India?
Given it a rich history of culture, art, and spirituality.
„h Does Hinduism have the answers for todays problems? Alcoholism - Drugs- Divorce - Suicide etc.
yes. Thirukural. read it.
„h To these gods move, think or speak?
mythology. get a clue.
„h Can they defend themselves if attacked; or mend themselves if broken?
attack one and find out.
„h Don't you think it foolish to worship these manmade objects?
Don't worship the object. Worship what the object represents.
„h Does India belong to the Indians (95 %) or the Brahmins (5%)?
Belongs to those who make money.
„h Did Hinduism originate in India itself or did it come with the Aryans via the Khyber Pass?
Aryan Invasion theory is passe, and stinks of British colonialism.
„h Can a person convert and become a Brahmin?
yes.
„h What is the relationship between the Aryans of India (Brahmins) and the Aryans of Germany (Hitler's Nazis)?
none. Indian "Aryan" is a Sanskrit word for anyone who is noble. Nazi Aryans were white-supremacists.
„h Why do the Brahmins and Nazis have the same symbol - the Swastika? (Look at the racist National Front symbols in South Africa).
Nazis stole the symbol, maybe because they can't translate Aryan correctly.
„h Ask yourself who is your God? Is it Shiva, who has the moon and river Ganges on his head and who could not identify his own son? Or is it Rama who couldn't see through Sukrievan's disguise and who murdered another god? Or could it be Krishna, the "playboy god"?
Ishwara - the God who I visualize in my mind, who takes a different form in each person's mind, based on his own experiences and karmas.
Can you still compare your religion with anyother religeon in the world?
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism. That would be a yes. Not to mention parallels in Taoism, Shintoism, Baha'i, and gosh darn it - the Abrahamic religions.
Originally posted by Muzna:
**At the same time that Allah tells us we are superior, He also tells us that humility is a virtue.
What does that tell you?
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Alot
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Thanks for pointing that out.
The Prophet sallallaho alaihe wa sallam once said,‘If anyone has got one atom of pride in his heart, he will not enter Paradise.’(Bukhari)
SuhbhanAllah…