Are today's muslims, yesterday's Bani Israeel?

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Are today’s muslims, yesterday’s Bani Israeel?

@Ibn_Sadique

Peace Popat – Yeah it’s a bit off topic but also very erroneous so I won’t ignore it and let it be.

There you go again misinterpreting the above ayah that you have quoted:

It clearly says that those who OBEY ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER shall be AMONG -------

It does not say that those who obey Allah and His Messenger shall become Messengers – Certainly not!!!

The ayah clearly says what it means – You sir, are twisting it to get at your desired nefarious agenda.

The ayah says that those who obey Allah and His Messenger shall be in company of those whom Allah Almighty has blessed – And who are these blessed ones?

• the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous.

And excellent companions are these.

Read the explanation of above in **Tafsir Ibn Kathir **

(And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, then they will be in the company of those on whom Allah has bestowed His grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqin, the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!) Consequently, whosoever implements what Allah and His Messenger have commanded him and avoids what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, then Allah will grant him a dwelling in the Residence of Honor. There, Allah will place him in the company of the Prophets, and those who are lesser in grade, the true believers, then the martyrs and then the righteous, who are righteous inwardly and outwardly. Allah then praised this company,

Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - Whoever Obeys Allah and His Messenger Will Be Honored by Allah

May Allah soften your heart and enable you to understand Quran.Ameen.

Quran is a beautiful word of Allah. It leaves no room for any one to misinterpret the verse to suit anyones need. You cannot deny the verses I’m going to present here.

The arabic word here is ‘ma’ah’ Yes it clearly states they will be AMONG those and not say SHALL BECOME. Here’s the ayaah again.

And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these.

Now let us see another verse of Quran where the same term is used (ma’ah ssajideen )

[15:30-31] So the angels submitted, all of them together, Except Iblis; he refused to be among those who submit.

Allah further elaborated being among someone by using different term (minnas sajideen) in the following verse:

(7-11) And We did create you and then We gave you shape; then said We to the angels, ‘Submit to Adam;’ and they all submitted but Iblis did not; he would not be of those who submit.

Now where are you going to run ?
Bein among MEANS be ONE of those. If this is not correct, then the above 2 verses needs clarification from your side. If being among those means be with them and not ONE of them, then explain to me what Iblis was doing with all the angels? was he not AMONG the angels ???

This is your condition. You know nothing about Quran, and you come write paragraphs after paragraphs proving whats absurd. Whosoever obeys Allah and his messenger will be AMONG all 4 statuses mentioned in the verse. In Muslim Ummah, we have saleh, sadeeq and shaheed. They are NOT among those people but they areee given that status. Prophethood is also a blessing.

Quran has itself elaborated what AMONG means. Iblis was AMONG the angels, therefore was an angel, and when he refused to submit, he was not AMONG those who submitted.

Prophet-hood is an honor from Allah Almighty, which He bestows upon whomsoever He pleases in accordance with His Absolute Wisdom and Eternal Knowledge

Prophet-hood is a blessing from Allah Almighty which Allah bestows upon whosoever is suitable for it and it is not something that can be achieved by the any human by his own means.

“Allah chooses Messengers from angels and from men.” ** Quran 22: 75**

And when a token cometh unto them, they say: We will not believe till we are given that which Allah’s messengers are given. Allah knoweth best with whom to place His message. Humiliation from Allah and heavy punishment will smite the guilty for their scheming.** Quran 6:124**

Prophet-hood is not something which can be acquired by anyone through struggle and exertions, performing different kinds of worships, engaging in tough exercises, persistently disciplining the soul or purification of the heart.

Anyone who lays claim to this can only be an impostor/ quack/ Charlatan/fraud or suffering from delusional disorder.

lol.
Yep, Allah knows full well where he should place his prophethood. We are no one to say why Him, why now, why at that place etc.
Prophethood is acquired by struggle. What are you talking about ?? Allah has full knowledge about who becomes prophet, but prophets also go through a lot of struggle and exertion. They themselves dont know they’re prophets until and unless Allah almighty tells them!

Seriously, you need to let go the hatred you have for jamaat e ahmadiyya and first start off by learning basics of Islam.