Are today's muslims, yesterday's Bani Israeel?

[psyah]

Re: Are today’s muslims, yesterday’s Bani Israeel?

@Mr.Popat

Peace psyah,

You just dont want to see ahadith in its entirety. Dajjal by definition means the one who deceives. The way sahabah understood some stuff were not always true. In fact, you may remember the hadith in which holy prophet PBUH said to keep eating sehri till white thread is distinguished from the black thread. He was referring to dawn, but there was a sahabah who actually put a white and black thread infront of him and kept eating sehri. There are many other instances where Sahabah sometimes took something literally when holy prophet Muhammad PBUH didnt mean it that way.

When someone was referred as Dajjal by sahabah, what did they mean ?? did they not know that the person had 2 eyes ? did they not know he was not riding a donkey ??? But what we see Holy prophet pbuh saying is that if he is the dajjal, then Messiah will be the one who will kill him.
Think about it please. No where did Muhammad PBUH say he cannot be dajjal since hes not one-eyed, not riding donkey etc. But rather that if he is the dajjal ( meaning the one whose deceitful ) then Messiah will kill him.

In one hadith we know dajjal wont enter Makkah.. then in another hadith we see that Muhammad PBUH saw a dream in which dajjal is doing tawaaf of Kaabah. Then theres a person referred as dajjal who was not one-eyed, not riding donkey etc and not only sahabah didnt mention it but neither did holy Prophet phuh. This is what happens when you dont take into account all ahadith. You just have one concept fed in your head, and now no matter whats presented to you, you will explain ahadith in accordance with how your beliefs are.

Peace Mr.Popat

There were a few of the Sahabah who had taken things wrongly, but they were given clarification straight away. But it is not our belief that the Sahabah en masse could have missed this Dajjal thing - plus no clarification from RasoolAllah (SAW) at the time. The idea that Dajjal is not on a donkey is null since people don’t look for a person constantly on a donkey - they merely look to connect it with what he might own.

The people who some of the Sahabah (RA) thought were Dajjal were one-eyed. The Sahabah (RA) were the best of the followers and the best qualified to interpret the sayings of RasoolAllah (SAW). Especially people like Sayyidina Abu Bakr As-Siddique (RA), Sayyidina Ibn 'Abbas (RA) and Sayyidina Ali (RA) … so there were some great minds among the Sahabah (RA) too. Dajjal will not be expected to be constantly riding a donkey and he never was … Also, when describing someone if the important factors at the time do not include the eye then it is not true to say that the Dajjal was NOT one eyed in that hadith … Unless it states specifically “He was not one-eyed”.

If there are two hadith that focus on differing aspects of a person’s description - we don’t take the idea from one hadith and ignore the other … we take both ideas.

My point being you cannot use the idea that some of the Sahabah (RA) who did not understand some direct instructions properly is license for you to re-interpret the established ideas by Sahabah (RA) as you wish.

Regarding the assertion of Imam Al-Bukhari (Rahmatullahialayh) threw out thousands of hadith is a lie … None of the Imams threw out thousands of hadith - A small portion of fabricated hadith have been determined from the set of all hadith, all the other hadith has merely been given a tag - none are thrown out … those remainder some may be dubious, some are sound in meaning but have no complete chain, some with one complete chain, some with multiple chains and so on … If you are referring to the collection of the Shahih of Imam Al-Bukhari then that book’s specific purpose was to compile a set of hadith with muttawatir narrations … that is all - He has made other compilations which did include other ahadith.

Never did Imam Al-Bukhari throw anything in the waste bin … And if we want to talk metaphor here - Who would believe that Messiah has arrived when neither the pig was slain nor the cross destroyed but rather our very own traditions were thrown away by him.