Are today's muslims, yesterday's Bani Israeel?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Are today’s muslims, yesterday’s Bani Israeel?

@Mr.Popat

Allah has stated that if Muhammad PBUH were to lie on my name, I would have certainly killed him. Now, keep this as an example and tell me that Hz Ahmad (as) claimed to be promised Messiah and the same Imam Mahdi, claimed that Allah almighty speaks to Him, According to the sayin of Allah, had he been wrong, He and his followers would have always faced defeat. But ALAS, the way of Allah is beyond your understanding. What you see as insignificant is what we see success.

The following ayah is appropriate and will suffice for your answer

And let not those who disbelieve think that Our granting them respite is better for their souls; We grant them respite only that they may add to their sins; and they shall have a disgraceful chastisement. [3:178]

@Mr.Popat

Muhammad PBUH is the greatest of all prophets. Muhammadi shariyah has been completed and Islam is now perfected. Allah has chosen Islam for us as a religion and calls anyone believing anything other than that as a loser. Then we have the concept of Isa (as) descent. We have ahadith stating his descent (not coming back). It’s rather ironic to say with your tongue that Islam is complete and then we await Son of Mary. You need to first ask yourself :

1. if Islam is complete and in exactly the same order as what was revealed to Muhammad PBUH, then WHAT IS the need of Jesus (as)
2. if Islam is complete and yet we believe in Jesus a.s, then if he comes, will he believe in every single thing you portray as Islam ? if yes, then again, whats the need of his coming?
3. If islam is complete, which it is.. and we believe in Jesus a.s coming, if he comes, and preaches us the true interpretation of Quran and ahadith and be the just ruler about what is right in Islam and what was added later on in Islam by scholars, are we with Jesus a.s or are we going to hold on to the Islam our forefathers have left for us ?
   These are questions that not only you will wrestle with, but your scholars even today have not a single answer to this. It is as if you are too proud of the fact that the version of Islam you have is the same one that was revealed on Muhammad PBUH, because its not. If it was, then muslims shouldnt have been in the condition and state that they are currently are now.

1. Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (AS) will decent from Heaven to Damascus (Syria) according to the blessed ahadith. He will not be implementing any new shariyah. Why is coming back? That is the Will of Allah Almighty according to the Blessed Prophet (saw) ahadith. Why? If you have problem with that then ask Allah Almighty why is ) Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (AS) back again.

2. Allow me to turn tables against you, Do you believe that Islam is complete? If so, why did Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claim to be Mahdi/Messiah/Krishna/Buddha/and whatnot?

Do you claim that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad came to complete Islam?

3. Muslims believe that Islam is complete – nothing new can be added and nothing that exists in it can be removed – Islam is what is contained in the Blessed Quran and Sunnah of the Blessed Prophet (saw). Eminent scholars have codified the practicing of Islam according to the requirements of the Blessed Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw).

Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) will lead the wayward Muslims to the straight path. Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) will not bring anything new.

@Mr.Popat

We have the best book, we have the best of best prophet, we have the best ummah, we are the best people chosen by Allah. What is it then that we Muslims keep seeing downfall? If we have sugar, suji, oil.. why dont we make halwa out of it?

The best book is not referred to; the sayings of the Best Prophet (saw) are ignored; the ‘best’ people are divided into sects and some unfortunate ones have opted out following a wannabe prophet/mahdi.

If sugar, suji, oil is there; but recipe of making halwa is missing; rather a recipe for making Kitchery. So results are obvious.

This is another proof the Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is an imposter and a charlatan. His coming and going had no effect rather created another new fitnah of dividing the Ummah and dragging the unfortunate ones out of Islam.

@Mr.Popat

As far as what Messiah (as) said about Jesus a.s and His virgin mother was entirely based on the response to christian missionaries from their own books.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani had a vile and vulgar tongue/pen. Blasphemous/Foul-mouthed language use by him is incompatible/irreconcilable to the dignity of a pious person.

You take Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to be a prophet/mahdi – note that this vile person not meeting the standards set by Allah Almighty!!!

Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and have disputations with them in the best manner; surely your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He knows best those who follow the right way.** [16:125]**

Repel evil by what is best; We know best what they describe. [23:96]

Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) (Jesus) and his pious mother Lady Maryum (ra) hold very high status with Allah Almighty. These noble souls do not belong to the Christians.

There is no excuse for Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani to retaliate in this vile manner even if provoked by Christian missionaries – even to the point if they insulted the Blessed Prophet (saw).

Read from the following link – all references are from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s books. Please don’t jump up and down claiming it to be anti-ahmadiyyah site – indeed it is – look at the vile material and the relevant references from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s writings.

Mirza Ghulam’s Tirade against Jesus Christ(pbuh)

Having read what Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has written do you really think that he has escaped wrath of Allah Almighty?

@Mr.Popat

Promised Messiah states that our opponents wrongly accuse us of saying such a thing and call it my belief that this is my belief.. it is not, infact how can I say such words about Jesus a.s whose metaphorical name is given to me by Allah. So my friend, think outside the box. Dont you feel for even once that how is it that the things you accuse someone and his followers believe something completely different. Is there not something wrong with YOUR understanding ? Had it been our belief about Jesus a.s and the belief of promised Messiah(as), why on Earth would we be refusing it? So , kindly, before raising accusation , sit back and do some research.

This is typical of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad – He first shoots himself in the foot by making a ‘wild’ claim– then recants at once seeing the response is really negative. He made claim to be a Mahdi and recanted it – made a claim to a nabi and seeing adverse response recanted his claim.

The above is in similar vein trying to wiggle out once having shot himself in the foot.