Are today's muslims, yesterday's Bani Israeel?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Are today’s muslims, yesterday’s Bani Israeel?

@Mr.Popat

I said the truth and there you are writng paragraphs after paragraphs. You know what. Write as much as you like.

Mr. Popat - “The pot calling the kettle black” There you are writing paragraphs after paragraph and expect me to reply to you in one-liners.

Sorry, I am going reply to you in full so to expose what you present as the ‘truth’.

@Mr.Popat

I have given you the example of Muhammad PBUH migrating. Yes by the will of Allah ofcourse. Thats my point. Prophets migrate and theres nothing wrong or uncommon about it. It is a way of Allah to spread the true teaching. You falsely accused jamaat e ahmadiyya to have been thrown out of the homeland and considered it a victory. I merely showed you this is not uncommon. Look at you all jumping up and down.

You don’t get the point, do you? All Prophets (peace be upon them all) whoever migrated succeeded and established themselves and their respective followers established a base for the faith.

Your jamaat had to uproot itself from its established centre – Rabwah – went into exile to foreign lands – Just like the Jews did.

Be assured nobody is jumping up and down on this side – Maybe you are just hallucinating.

@Mr.Popat

As far as what our Khalifas say, we are obligated to follow their commandments which are in accordance to Quran and ahadith and to spread the true teachings of Islam. Keep in mind, they are not divinely guided but divinely inspired. Our belief is that khalifa is chosen by Allah Almighty. What they say can be amended by either themselves or the future khalifa. So relax yourself about that.

So you mean to say that Mirza Tahir Ahmad was divinely inspired to say that Ahmadi population is 200 million in 2003

How could he give such a huge number without a second thought? Was he hallucinating?

All the Ahmadis/Qadianis are registered to pay Chanda – This is compulsory and not an optional issue.

All he had to do was count up the registered members and got the right number of Ahmadis/Qadianis. It is that simple, isn’t it?

Mirza Tahir Ahmad was with intent lying when he quoted that huge number!!! He knew that he was lying!

His successor Mirza Masroor Ahmad was divinely inspired to say that Ahmadi population is 70 Million2008!!!

Mirza Masroor Ahmad was with intent lying when he quoted that (huge) number!!! He knew that he was lying!

Most estimates number Ahmadis/Qadianis around 10 million!!!

Divine inspiration is always true – because the source is Allah Almighty!!!

Inspirations that come to your Khalifahs are False. Truth and False don’t mix!!!

So this clearly proves that your khalifahs are not divinely guided – the source of inspiration of your khalifahs other than divine – you know what that means. This is called satanic inspirations

*Shall I inform you (of him) upon whom the Shaitans descend? *[26:221]
They descend upon every lying, sinful one, [26:222]

@Mr.Popat

As far as what I stated about people conversion. Well, this is the harsh truth that you must accept. Jamaat e ahmadiyya which literally is the true teachings of Islam is being spread all over the world. You cannot escape from this fact that people like you thought to stop the progress of jamaat within Pakistan or within India and now you see it being spread everywhere. Another harsh truth that should open your eyes is the opposition jamaat faces everywhere. Again, opposition is one of many sign of someone’s truthfulness. I ask you, which jamaat out of all the sects(note i used sects and not jamaat as theres a difference) in Pakistan or elsewhere where they are being persecuted for their faith ? purely on claiming that Allah is one and Muhammad PBUH is his messenger ? What did we see back in history ? Muhammad PBUH and His early followers were being stopped from praying.. they were persecuted, they used to pray in hidden rooms, faced all sorts of extremism that today Jamaat is facing. Buddy, these things will go beyond your imagination. You are good at pointing fingers at others.. keep doing that.

Sorry to shoot your bubble down. Jamaat Ahmadiyyah has nothing to do with Muslim Ummah as they have opted to be Ummah of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.

What you state regarding Prophet Muhammad (saw) is true. And what is also true is that Prophet Muhammad (saw) overcame all the obstacles within his lifetime.

You jamaat is still struggling for more than a century after demise of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. This is a clear proof that Allah Almighty is not with you!!!

Very conservative estimates state that there are 1,600,000,000 (1.6 Billion) Muslims.

Whereas Ahmadis/Qadianis are around 10,000,000 (10 Million).

Sikhs are about 27 Million outnumbering you lot

Jews are about 13 Million outnumbering you lot

Yet you keep claiming that Allah Almighty is helping you.

Please do some research and don’t just keep swallowing what is force-fed to you in the Cult indoctrination camps.

@Mr.Popat

This must be a joke. You dont see the difference, do you ? You are comparing filth that is on 24/7 with the voice of Islam ? Tell me what does it mean when Allah says .. truth has come and falsehood has vanished away.. falsehood indeed vanishes away fast. So, now Mr.Ibn e sadique, where has the falsehood vanished away ? What ever your answer is, accept it from your heart and dont criticize others for the same. Indeed truth has come and falsehood has vanished away.

You made a boast of being available 24/7 on worldwide TV – Is that unique to you?

Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and even atheists have 24/7/365 TV channels.

You are crowing about one Station, Do you know how many Channels are there run by Muslims? Please do some research and don’t just keep swallowing what is force-fed to you in the Cult indoctrination camps.

@Mr.Popat

As far as presenting holy Quran to Queen Elizabeth and vice versa.. the Quran is being presented by the Holy Khalifa of Jamaat e ahmadiyya, Khalifatul muslimeen, whose status your scholars know very well but you choose to live under a rock. One hadith states that whoever has not recognized the imam of His time has died a death of an illiterate.

Khalifa of Jamaat e ahmadiyya – This is right

Khalifatul muslimeen – This is wrong

The hadith you quoted is true but is out of context here – Muslims are commanded to be aware of and not to follow false messiahs/prophets.

@Mr.Popat

Allah’s success indeed. Today we are building mosques after mosques, delivering peace message door to door in western countries, holding symposiums, holding gathering where we defend Islam, defend the honour of Muhammad PBUH. Invites others to accept Islam. Yes, all peacefully, not by burning tires, not by destroying our own properties, not by killing innocent civilians. You my friend needs to calm yourself down and come in the real world.

The above shows how much you have been brain-washed – Please do yourself a favour, use the google service and check how many Mosques (run by Muslims) are in just in London.

Now your jamaat’s international is base is London – Your jamaat’s presence there is insignificant.

But you can dream on as dreaming is free and has no limits on imagination. Keep stretching it.